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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:54 pm
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"John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote...
| Quote: | "Matti Lamprhey" <matti-nospam@totally-official.com> wrote:
It's Fuller's bottle-conditioned Vintage Ale, produced in small
numbers and each bottle individually numbered.
Are you sure that's an individual bottle number and not a batch
number? I just checked the fridge and a couple of brands have what
appear to be batch numbers on the bottles. That is to say, the
number was obviously applied later to a preprinted label, but all the
bottles in the case bear the same number. (One brand has a
bottled-on date, and another has a date in the future that is either
sell-by or use-by.)
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I'm pretty sure, but I only bought one bottle from the 2003 vintage so I
can't compare labels.
The blurb on the box says "Individually packed and numbered, this bottle
is one of only fifty thousand produced." You've probably seen my photo
of the bottle, which bore number 03628; I reckon that was specific to
the bottle. Next year I'll buy two and let you know for certain!
Matti |
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John Varela
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:41 pm
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:54:51 UTC, "Matti Lamprhey"
<matti-nospam@totally-official.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Next year I'll buy two and let you know for certain!
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How much do these things cost?
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Edward
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:33 pm
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"Matti Lamprhey" <matti-nospam@totally-official.com> wrote in message news:<2hu7gjFgtv6uU1@uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote...
Michael Nitabach <mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote...
There are a number of bars in NYC that serve Fuller's Extra Special
Bitter on tap. It's one of my favorite beers, and very strong.
Interesting: I tried Fuller's London Pride in bottle (a contradiction
in terms, I thought) last year, and found it disgusting. I had the
chance to try it off the wood again a few months later, and it was as
good as I remembered.
A very creditable ale. You might want to try the similarly-named
Young's Special London Ale, brewed within a stone's throw of Fuller's,
of course, and trumping its neighbour's 4.7% version soundly at a very
tasty 6.4%. I've got unopened bottles of each in front of me, but not
for long; lovely weather for alcohol today.
http://www.youngs.co.uk/
obAUE: The Ram's Brewery, Wandsworth
Matti
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They serve Young's in the Member's Bar at Lord's - absolutely
delicious, especially when Strauss and Hussain were in.
Edward
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Dr Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:02 pm
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:41:57 GMT, "John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:54:51 UTC, "Matti Lamprhey"
matti-nospam@totally-official.com> wrote:
Next year I'll buy two and let you know for certain!
How much do these things cost?
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Just what I was going to ask. It sounds as though Matti is going to have to
save for a year to get two.
On this special ale/beer/whatever stuff available mainly or only at
Christmas, my local in Nottingham (the Spread Eagle, Goldsmith Street),
when I was 18 or so, kept a small barrel (a pin, to be precise) of barley
wine on the bar at Christmas. They served it by the glass as a pick-me-up
on cold mornings, and it had the impact of a slug of rum. It's hard to find
barley wine these days, in bottles, and it's not the same stuff at all.
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wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:36 pm
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"Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote...
| Quote: | "John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Matti Lamprhey" <matti-nospam@totally-official.com> wrote:
Next year I'll buy two and let you know for certain!
How much do these things cost?
Just what I was going to ask. It sounds as though Matti is going to
have to save for a year to get two.
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It's taken me a while to answer this question, and I really have no idea
how much I paid for that bottle from Waitrose, Monmouth. However,
here's somewhere which offers it for $5.99 in the US:
http://www.exclamationagiftshop.com/beverages/Fuller_s_Vintage_Ale.shtml
Matti |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:18 pm
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Edward wrote:
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They serve Young's in the Member's Bar at Lord's - absolutely
delicious, especially when Strauss and Hussain were in.
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Perhaps you are indulging in postmodern irony, and I am missing the joke,
but you would appear to have got yourself in a tangle over apostrophes. I
maintain that you would not, in fact, have been incorrect if you had written
"They serve Youngs in the Members' Bar at Lords." It always used to be
customary to form the name of a shop, company or undertaking by adding an
's' to the proprietor's name without an apostrophe (e.g. Boots, Foyles).
There is a modern tendency to use an apostrophe (Blackwell's, Waterstone's -
and in this context, Young's and Lord's) which only leads to confusion.
Whether the 's' represents a plural or a possessive is an interesting
question.
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:56 pm
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Dr Robin Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<929rb0t8itdlit7al627ujv1k4kpqubsjq@4ax.com>...
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:41:57 GMT, "John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net
wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:54:51 UTC, "Matti Lamprhey"
matti-nospam@totally-official.com> wrote:
Next year I'll buy two and let you know for certain!
How much do these things cost?
Just what I was going to ask. It sounds as though Matti is going to have to
save for a year to get two.
On this special ale/beer/whatever stuff available mainly or only at
Christmas, my local in Nottingham (the Spread Eagle, Goldsmith Street),
when I was 18 or so, kept a small barrel (a pin, to be precise) of barley
wine on the bar at Christmas. They served it by the glass as a pick-me-up
on cold mornings, and it had the impact of a slug of rum. It's hard to find
barley wine these days, in bottles, and it's not the same stuff at all.
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I think it's a matter of regional demand: some at least of Tesco's
branches have it. Tried Courage's Imperial Russian Stout? Its merit
over barley wine is that it isn't sweet, so you can't drink it quickly
till you're drunk already; after that point you need an extra guardian
angel to look after you.
But have you noticed that British beers have been getting stronger for
some ten years now? I think it's a bit unfortunate, not only because
the flavours aren't always heavy enough to carry the additional
alcohol, but because it's harder to find a tasty beer you can swill
all evening without getting totally rat-arsed.
Mike. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:04 am
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<fskvc.42$1d7.37@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net>...
| Quote: | Edward wrote:
They serve Young's in the Member's Bar at Lord's - absolutely
delicious, especially when Strauss and Hussain were in.
Perhaps you are indulging in postmodern irony, and I am missing the joke,
but you would appear to have got yourself in a tangle over apostrophes. I
maintain that you would not, in fact, have been incorrect if you had written
"They serve Youngs in the Members' Bar at Lords." It always used to be
customary to form the name of a shop, company or undertaking by adding an
's' to the proprietor's name without an apostrophe (e.g. Boots, Foyles).
There is a modern tendency to use an apostrophe (Blackwell's, Waterstone's -
and in this context, Young's and Lord's) which only leads to confusion.
Whether the 's' represents a plural or a possessive is an interesting
question.
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Laying aside my mighty impressment that Edward is apparently a Member,
that's not unfair. But I could dig out any number of 19-C examples of
the singular 's form, in contexts clearly showing that the singular
was what was intended. And I used to know Blackwell slightly, though
Lord was before my time.
Mike. |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:37 am
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:<fskvc.42$1d7.37@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net>...
Edward wrote:
They serve Young's in the Member's Bar at Lord's - absolutely
delicious, especially when Strauss and Hussain were in.
Perhaps you are indulging in postmodern irony, and I am missing the joke,
but you would appear to have got yourself in a tangle over apostrophes.
I
maintain that you would not, in fact, have been incorrect if you had
written "They serve Youngs in the Members' Bar at Lords." It always
used to be
customary to form the name of a shop, company or undertaking by adding an
's' to the proprietor's name without an apostrophe (e.g. Boots, Foyles).
There is a modern tendency to use an apostrophe (Blackwell's,
Waterstone's -
and in this context, Young's and Lord's) which only leads to confusion.
Whether the 's' represents a plural or a possessive is an interesting
question.
Laying aside my mighty impressment that Edward is apparently a Member,
that's not unfair. But I could dig out any number of 19-C examples of
the singular 's form, in contexts clearly showing that the singular
was what was intended. And I used to know Blackwell slightly, though
Lord was before my time.
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Blackwell's Bookshop > Blackwells
Lord's Cricket Ground > Lords.
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Edward
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:25 am
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<fskvc.42$1d7.37@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net>...
| Quote: | Edward wrote:
They serve Young's in the Member's Bar at Lord's - absolutely
delicious, especially when Strauss and Hussain were in.
Perhaps you are indulging in postmodern irony, and I am missing the joke,
but you would appear to have got yourself in a tangle over apostrophes. I
maintain that you would not, in fact, have been incorrect if you had written
"They serve Youngs in the Members' Bar at Lords." It always used to be
customary to form the name of a shop, company or undertaking by adding an
's' to the proprietor's name without an apostrophe (e.g. Boots, Foyles).
There is a modern tendency to use an apostrophe (Blackwell's, Waterstone's -
and in this context, Young's and Lord's) which only leads to confusion.
Whether the 's' represents a plural or a possessive is an interesting
question.
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The apostrophe was incorrectly placed in Member's, for which I truly
apologise. But Lord's is Lord's (see
http://www.lords.org/ground/about.asp - for obvious reasons they can't
put the apostrophe in the URL) and Young's is Young's too, I'm afraid
(see http://www.youngs.co.uk).
Edward
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:32 am
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Edward wrote:
| Quote: | "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:<fskvc.42$1d7.37@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net>...
Edward wrote:
They serve Young's in the Member's Bar at Lord's - absolutely
delicious, especially when Strauss and Hussain were in.
Perhaps you are indulging in postmodern irony, and I am missing the joke,
but you would appear to have got yourself in a tangle over apostrophes.
I
maintain that you would not, in fact, have been incorrect if you had
written "They serve Youngs in the Members' Bar at Lords." It always
used to be
customary to form the name of a shop, company or undertaking by adding an
's' to the proprietor's name without an apostrophe (e.g. Boots, Foyles).
There is a modern tendency to use an apostrophe (Blackwell's,
Waterstone's -
and in this context, Young's and Lord's) which only leads to confusion.
Whether the 's' represents a plural or a possessive is an interesting
question.
The apostrophe was incorrectly placed in Member's, for which I truly
apologise. But Lord's is Lord's (see
http://www.lords.org/ground/about.asp - for obvious reasons they can't
put the apostrophe in the URL) and Young's is Young's too, I'm afraid
(see http://www.youngs.co.uk).
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:24 am
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On Wednesday, in article
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john.briggs4@ntlworld.com "John Briggs" wrote:
| Quote: | Perhaps you are indulging in postmodern irony, and I am missing the joke,
but you would appear to have got yourself in a tangle over apostrophes. I
maintain that you would not, in fact, have been incorrect if you had written
"They serve Youngs in the Members' Bar at Lords." It always used to be
customary to form the name of a shop, company or undertaking by adding an
's' to the proprietor's name without an apostrophe (e.g. Boots, Foyles).
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Aha! But do you know just WHY it's "Lords"?
--
fix (vb.): 1. to paper over, obscure, hide from public view; 2. to
work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that are
worse than the original problem. Usage: "Windows ME fixes many of the
shortcomings of Windows 98 SE". |
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Dr Robin Bignall
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On 2 Jun 2004 09:56:59 -0700, mike_lyle_uk@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Lyle) wrote:
| Quote: | Dr Robin Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<929rb0t8itdlit7al627ujv1k4kpqubsjq@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:41:57 GMT, "John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net
wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:54:51 UTC, "Matti Lamprhey"
matti-nospam@totally-official.com> wrote:
Next year I'll buy two and let you know for certain!
How much do these things cost?
Just what I was going to ask. It sounds as though Matti is going to have to
save for a year to get two.
On this special ale/beer/whatever stuff available mainly or only at
Christmas, my local in Nottingham (the Spread Eagle, Goldsmith Street),
when I was 18 or so, kept a small barrel (a pin, to be precise) of barley
wine on the bar at Christmas. They served it by the glass as a pick-me-up
on cold mornings, and it had the impact of a slug of rum. It's hard to find
barley wine these days, in bottles, and it's not the same stuff at all.
I think it's a matter of regional demand: some at least of Tesco's
branches have it. Tried Courage's Imperial Russian Stout? Its merit
over barley wine is that it isn't sweet, so you can't drink it quickly
till you're drunk already; after that point you need an extra guardian
angel to look after you.
I would if I could, but have to be pretty much TT these days, not by |
choice!
| Quote: | But have you noticed that British beers have been getting stronger for
some ten years now? I think it's a bit unfortunate, not only because
the flavours aren't always heavy enough to carry the additional
alcohol, but because it's harder to find a tasty beer you can swill
all evening without getting totally rat-arsed.
I've noticed because friends who drink beer have told me, or showed me by |
getting rat-arsed on several fewer than the traditional eight pints. Apart
from an occasional small shandy, I haven't been a beer drinker since the
early 1970s. I became accustomed to drinking wine while living in France.
--
wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire
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Edward
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:37 pm
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<HPqvc.128$ZA2.32@newsfe2-gui.server.ntli.net>...
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| Quote: | It's The Ram Brewery, while we are at it
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What is?
Edward
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John Briggs
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote:
| Quote: | On Wednesday, in article
fskvc.42$1d7.37@newsfe3-win.server.ntli.net
john.briggs4@ntlworld.com "John Briggs" wrote:
Perhaps you are indulging in postmodern irony, and I am missing the joke,
but you would appear to have got yourself in a tangle over apostrophes.
I maintain that you would not, in fact, have been incorrect if you had
written "They serve Youngs in the Members' Bar at Lords." It always
used to be customary to form the name of a shop, company or undertaking
by adding an 's' to the proprietor's name without an apostrophe (e.g.
Boots, Foyles).
Aha! But do you know just WHY it's "Lords"?
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Same reason it's "Boots"?
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