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becky
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:48 pm
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"Among Chinese new comers to the U.S., there are dozens of different
dialects from the mainland as well as the dialects we have in Hong
Kong and Taiwan."
Does this imply that the speaker lives in, or is connected in some way
to, Hong Kong or Taiwan?
More generally, what's the difference between the expressions "there
is/are" and "you've got" as in:
"At one extreme, (you've got/there are) chronic complainers. At the
other, (you've got/there are) people who shrug off problems. In
between are you and I. Maybe we gripe, maybe we don't."
thanks in advance!
becky
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:25 pm
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becky wrote on 10 Nov 2004:
| Quote: | "Among Chinese new comers to the U.S., there are dozens of
different dialects from the mainland as well as the dialects we
have in Hong Kong and Taiwan."
Does this imply that the speaker lives in, or is connected in some
way to, Hong Kong or Taiwan?
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Not necessarily. Hong Kong is part of the PRC; Taiwan is a de facto
independent country. The only connection between the two is economic
and cultural: Hong Kong is one of the ports used by Taiwan's merechants
who ship goods manufactured in China to the rest of the world, and we
have a lot of Hong Kong-made movies in Taiwan, especially on TV.
Beyond these connections, the connection you are looking for is that
the speaker is probably an overseas Chinese, maybe even an American-
born Chinese (ABC), who identifies with all other ethnic Chinese in the
world. The speaker could just as easily be a Shanghainese or a Xianese.
It is also enough for the writer or speaker to be a nationalistic
mainland Chinese who greedily sees Taiwan as part of the PRC.
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Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
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Spehro Pefhany
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:25 pm
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:36:04 -0600, the renowned "Jess Askin"
<nospam@dontbother.net> wrote:
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"becky" <becky_backy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4fe7b034.0411090810.3a9c538c@posting.google.com...
"Among Chinese new comers to the U.S., there are dozens of different
dialects from the mainland as well as the dialects we have in Hong
Kong and Taiwan."
Does this imply that the speaker lives in, or is connected in some way
to, Hong Kong or Taiwan?
It does to me, otherwise "we" would be wrong.
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It seems to me that "we" could refer to the audience, doesn't it to
you? (As Dianne Nyland playing Tracy Young might say**).
| Quote: | More generally, what's the difference between the expressions "there
is/are" and "you've got" as in:
"At one extreme, (you've got/there are) chronic complainers. At the
other, (you've got/there are) people who shrug off problems. In
between are you and I. Maybe we gripe, maybe we don't."
"You've got" in this example is just a slang way to say "there are." It's an
impersonal form that doesn't have any connection with "you," "I," and "we"
in the last two sentences.
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** Canadian content under CRTC rules.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:25 pm
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"becky" <becky_backy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4fe7b034.0411090810.3a9c538c@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Among Chinese new comers to the U.S., there are dozens of different
dialects from the mainland as well as the dialects we have in Hong
Kong and Taiwan."
Does this imply that the speaker lives in, or is connected in some way
to, Hong Kong or Taiwan?
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It does to me, otherwise "we" would be wrong.
| Quote: | More generally, what's the difference between the expressions "there
is/are" and "you've got" as in:
"At one extreme, (you've got/there are) chronic complainers. At the
other, (you've got/there are) people who shrug off problems. In
between are you and I. Maybe we gripe, maybe we don't."
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"You've got" in this example is just a slang way to say "there are." It's an
impersonal form that doesn't have any connection with "you," "I," and "we"
in the last two sentences. |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:59 pm
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"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:g4u1p01q6cdlp2l0uagldfk5n2g1lrjgbk@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:36:04 -0600, the renowned "Jess Askin"
nospam@dontbother.net> wrote:
"becky" <becky_backy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4fe7b034.0411090810.3a9c538c@posting.google.com...
"Among Chinese new comers to the U.S., there are dozens of different
dialects from the mainland as well as the dialects we have in Hong
Kong and Taiwan."
Does this imply that the speaker lives in, or is connected in some way
to, Hong Kong or Taiwan?
It does to me, otherwise "we" would be wrong.
It seems to me that "we" could refer to the audience, doesn't it to
you? (As Dianne Nyland playing Tracy Young might say**).
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I thought she was a swimmer? |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:59 pm
Post subject: Re: there are/you've got |
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CyberCypher wrote:
| Quote: | Not necessarily. Hong Kong is part of the PRC; Taiwan is a de facto
independent country.
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Are you referring to the 叛变的省份 (pànbiànde shěngfèn)? |
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Spehro Pefhany
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:00 pm
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:50:40 -0600, the renowned "Jess Askin"
<nospam@dontbother.net> wrote:
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"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:g4u1p01q6cdlp2l0uagldfk5n2g1lrjgbk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:36:04 -0600, the renowned "Jess Askin"
nospam@dontbother.net> wrote:
"becky" <becky_backy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4fe7b034.0411090810.3a9c538c@posting.google.com...
"Among Chinese new comers to the U.S., there are dozens of different
dialects from the mainland as well as the dialects we have in Hong
Kong and Taiwan."
Does this imply that the speaker lives in, or is connected in some way
to, Hong Kong or Taiwan?
It does to me, otherwise "we" would be wrong.
It seems to me that "we" could refer to the audience, doesn't it to
you? (As Dianne Nyland playing Tracy Young might say**).
I thought she was a swimmer?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0199278/
Make that "Diane". The most craptacular Canadian television series
ever produced, although ditzy Nyland looked rather attractive in her
early-70s miniskirts. I think the old girl is involved with stage work
these days.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
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Martin Ambuhl wrote:
| Quote: | CyberCypher wrote:
Not necessarily. Hong Kong is part of the PRC; Taiwan is a de facto
independent country.
Are you referring to the 叛变的省份 (pànbiànde shěngfèn)?
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My mother would find Taiwan revolting because it is, as students here
always say when they've returned from Tokyo, not a very clean place. But
I find it congenial, free, and usually comfortable, especially in my
sunny part of the country.
--
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor.
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