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the Omrud
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:34 pm
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Maria Conlon typed thus:
| Quote: | raymond o'hara wrote, in part:
p.s. That's arrow Indians and not dot Indians.
The phrase I've heard is "dot or feather" when asking about Indians.
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I've noticed before that the "default" Indian (from India) in the USA
seems to be the Hindu (cf Apu), who are the ones with dots. Over
here, we're more likely to think first of the Muslim or the Sikh,
although of course the Muslim is more likely to be a Pakistani.
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David
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:34 pm
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raymond o'hara wrote, in part:
| Quote: | p.s. That's arrow Indians and not dot Indians.
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The phrase I've heard is "dot or feather" when asking about Indians.
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raymond o'hara
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:34 pm
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"Jacqui" <sirlawrenceoblivion@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns959C6849E13AAsirlawrenceoblivionh@163.1.2.7...
| Quote: | CyberCypher wibbled
For example: While "You too" would be fine in response to "Nice
to meet you";
It's not fine in my dialect or in any standard dialect of English
I know of. "Nice to meet" is required before the "you too" to be
fine.
Of course it is fine in standard English. It's a recognised contraction
- it's understood that the whole sentence is 'and it's nice to meet you
too' or something similar, but no one wants to bother with the whole
thing for what is, after all, mostly a platitude. There are dozens -
hundreds? - of other similar situations where we use similar verbal
shorthand and no one blinks twice at it.
Jac
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Howdy and how are two examples of that. "How do you do" was the standard
greeting in the old days before hello was coined , frontier familiarity
casused it to be shortend to howdy among whites and how among indians when
they were greeting whites.An Indian would never say how to another Indian.
p.s. That's arrow Indians and not dot Indians.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:02 pm
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:52:11 -0500, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com (Sara
Lorimer) wrote:
| Quote: | Jess Askin wrote:
When I was growing up the rule was, it's OK to offer your hand to a man but
not a woman.
And that's why women have such a hard time figuring out what to do --
neither of us wants to go first.
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Bellingham is a wonderful town. Not only do women offer their hand for
a handshake, several already have said "Hi" or "Hello" on the street.
Men do that in Ireland all the time, but women rarely do. Those under
20 almost never do in Ireland though, and I suspect I'll find the same
true back here.
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Charles Riggs
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Don Aitken
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:02 pm
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:32:22 -0000, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
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| Quote: | Maria Conlon typed thus:
raymond o'hara wrote, in part:
p.s. That's arrow Indians and not dot Indians.
The phrase I've heard is "dot or feather" when asking about Indians.
I've noticed before that the "default" Indian (from India) in the USA
seems to be the Hindu (cf Apu), who are the ones with dots. Over
here, we're more likely to think first of the Muslim or the Sikh,
although of course the Muslim is more likely to be a Pakistani.
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There are nearly as many Muslims in India (101.6 million) as in
Pakistan (total population 131.5 million, of whom 96.68% are
officially Muslim, although that proportion is artificially inflated
by the fact that it is officially a Muslim state, and you have to go
to some trouble to be registered as anything else). India has the
fourth-highest Muslim population in the world, after Indonesia,
Bangladesh and Pakistan.
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Don Aitken
Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being
read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com". |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:03 pm
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Charles Riggs typed thus:
| Quote: | On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:52:11 -0500, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com (Sara
Lorimer) wrote:
Jess Askin wrote:
When I was growing up the rule was, it's OK to offer your hand to a man but
not a woman.
And that's why women have such a hard time figuring out what to do --
neither of us wants to go first.
Bellingham is a wonderful town. Not only do women offer their hand for
a handshake, several already have said "Hi" or "Hello" on the street.
Men do that in Ireland all the time, but women rarely do. Those under
20 almost never do in Ireland though, and I suspect I'll find the same
true back here.
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Oh wow. I thought you were in DC. Now, I am jealous. Mind, it's
going to get cold soon.
Welcome back. Try the microbrewery wheat beer from Seattle.
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David
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 am
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Jess Askin wrote:
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| Quote: | I'm also told that if you visit Japan, you can expect to shake hands
a lot
more than you do here.
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If you were a Hispanic teenager or man here in northern New Mexico, I
think you could expect to shake hands, gosh, I don't know, fifty or a
hundered times per day. In the weight room at my college (which may
have more than its share of male bonding), a lot of guys shake hands
with everyone they know when they arrive and then again when they
leave. Is that about the Japanese level?
These are two- or three-stage handshakes that I believe date to the
Vietnam era. Anglos may get offered standard handshakes instead
(mismatches sometimes occur), either in the belief that we don't have
the skill for Chicano style or because we're not members of the lodge.
Or for some stranger reason. The middle-schooler I tutor every week
does a three-stage handshake with his friend who comes to some of the
sessions, but when I did that with him he told me he didn't like to
because he thought it was disrespectful on his part. Is it
disrespectful for him and his buddy? Maybe he meant "overly familiar".
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 am
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Don Aitken wrote:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Maria Conlon typed thus:
raymond o'hara wrote, in part:
p.s. That's arrow Indians and not dot Indians.
The phrase I've heard is "dot or feather" when asking about Indians.
I've noticed before that the "default" Indian (from India) in the USA
seems to be the Hindu (cf Apu), who are the ones with dots. Over
here, we're more likely to think first of the Muslim or the Sikh,
although of course the Muslim is more likely to be a Pakistani.
There are nearly as many Muslims in India (101.6 million) as in
Pakistan (total population 131.5 million, of whom 96.68% are
officially Muslim, although that proportion is artificially inflated
by the fact that it is officially a Muslim state, and you have to go
to some trouble to be registered as anything else). India has the
fourth-highest Muslim population in the world, after Indonesia,
Bangladesh and Pakistan.
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Interesting. Hindu does indeed seem to be (or seems to have been) the
default here when thinking of Indians from India. However, that says
nothing about how many of the India Indians here are actually Hindu.
They may well be in the minority, AFAIK.
Even so, "dot or feather" is a workable determinant, though it may not
be particularly correct (or nice).
Maria Conlon
When you arrive in Europe and change your money, they always give you
100-euro bills. What they don't tell you is that nobody in Europe wants
to take these bills: Everybody wants something smaller. Many American
tourists in Europe, unable to purchase food, are forced to survive by
eating their currency. (Dave Barry, during the 2004 Summer Olympics in
Athens, Greece.) |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:06 am
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:38:19 -0000, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
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| Quote: | Charles Riggs typed thus:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:52:11 -0500, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com (Sara
Lorimer) wrote:
Jess Askin wrote:
When I was growing up the rule was, it's OK to offer your hand to a man but
not a woman.
And that's why women have such a hard time figuring out what to do --
neither of us wants to go first.
Bellingham is a wonderful town. Not only do women offer their hand for
a handshake, several already have said "Hi" or "Hello" on the street.
Men do that in Ireland all the time, but women rarely do. Those under
20 almost never do in Ireland though, and I suspect I'll find the same
true back here.
Oh wow. I thought you were in DC. Now, I am jealous. Mind, it's
going to get cold soon.
Aggie joke: |
A group of students from Texas A&M decided to get politically involved
and march on Washington to air their dissatisfaction. Three days
later they were just outside of Bellingham. |
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Jacqui
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:18 pm
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Don Aitken wibbled
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
I've noticed before that the "default" Indian (from India) in the
USA seems to be the Hindu (cf Apu), who are the ones with dots.
Over here, we're more likely to think first of the Muslim or the
Sikh, although of course the Muslim is more likely to be a
Pakistani.
There are nearly as many Muslims in India (101.6 million) as in
Pakistan
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Sure. But the majority of perceived "Indians" in the UK are actually
from Bangladesh and Pakistan (or Uganda and Kenya). So any 'known'
Indian that the average Brit thinks of when asked is statistically more
likely to be a Muslim from Pakistan than a Hindu from India.
Jac |
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