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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:38 pm
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Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:54 pm
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On 08 Nov 2004, Jim Ward wrote
| Quote: | Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
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Sure: d'Azur, d'Ivoire.
(Oh. I see.)
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Southern England for the past 22 years.
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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:11 am
Post subject: Re: cotes |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:54:59 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
<harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Sure: d'Azur, d'Ivoire.
(Oh. I see.)
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How come chickens live in a co-op instead of cote?
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Alan Jones
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:38 am
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"Harvey Van Sickle" <harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns959BAC12A62E1whhvans@62.253.162.201...
| Quote: | On 08 Nov 2004, Jim Ward wrote
Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
Sure: d'Azur, d'Ivoire.
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There are bell-cotes - sheds for church bells where there is no tower, or at
least not one that can support bells. A bell-cote usually houses only a
single bell, but there are a few larger ones made of stone that should
probably be termed "belfries".
The -cote spelling is pronounced "cot" in BrE rather than "coat", and the
spelling "-cot" is not uncommon: dovecot, etc.
Alan Jones |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:48 am
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Jim Ward wrote:
| Quote: | Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
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Are pigeons and doves, both Columbidae, different.
OED tells us that
1) There is an sense now obsolete except in dialect of "a small
detached house such as is occupied by poor people or labourers."
2) That sheep-cote is a specific instance of "a slight building for
sheltering small animals, as sheep, pigs, fowls, or for the storage
of anything; a shed, stall." Note the "pigs."
The citations include other gloassary entries:
1869 Lonsdale Gloss., Cote+a small building set apart for any special
purpose; as Peat-cote, a house or place to put peat or turf in;
Salt-cote, a place where salt was wont to be made on the
sea-shore.
1876 Mid-Yorksh. Gloss., Cote, a shed for small cattle, or fowls. [So
in Dialect Glossaries of Sheffield, Cheshire, Shropshire, etc.]
So we now have added peat, turf, salt, and small cattle (small
deer?).
2a) That specific forms include "dove-cote, hen-cote, sheep-cote,
bell-cote (in which cot also occurs); and in more local use,
pig-cote, swine-cote, peat-cote, salt-cote."
3) There is a citation for humans:
1868 Daily Tel. 9 Dec., Every little human creature folded into the
kindly cote of it [the Refuges Society] is .. a thief or a
pauper the less. |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:52 am
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Jim Ward wrote:
| Quote: | Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
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Sure. Capon-cote, hen-cote, hog-cote, entrecote, pig-cote, pigeon-cote,
swine-cote, salt-cote. To do with 'cote' being the traditional term for
a small structure which shelters animals.
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John Dean
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:18 am
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:38:47 -0500, Jim Ward <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
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d'Or, d'Ivoire
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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don groves
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:41 am
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In article <92avo0pgnj0vh9cpgam66u1dfl9h9eqcdf@4ax.com>, Jim Ward
at tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com poured forth...
| Quote: | On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:54:59 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Sure: d'Azur, d'Ivoire.
(Oh. I see.)
How come chickens live in a co-op instead of cote?
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Because they're socialist, hippie feather-brains.
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dg (domain=ccwebster) |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:45 am
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John Dean filted:
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Jim Ward wrote:
Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
Sure. Capon-cote, hen-cote, hog-cote, entrecote, pig-cote, pigeon-cote,
swine-cote, salt-cote. To do with 'cote' being the traditional term for
a small structure which shelters animals.
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Hmmm...so my disused barbecue grill is now a catcote....r |
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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:08 am
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On 8 Nov 2004 12:45:11 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Hmmm...so my disused barbecue grill is now a catcote....r
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If there's more than one, it's a catscote ... or a cote of many
collars. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:20 am
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John Dean wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Ward wrote:
Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
Sure. Capon-cote, hen-cote, hog-cote, entrecote, pig-cote,
pigeon-cote, swine-cote, salt-cote. To do with 'cote' being the
traditional term for a small structure which shelters animals.
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Without looking it up, I'd say it wasn't just animals. "Cot"
certainly = "cottage", and I imagine "cote" is probably the same
word.
Mike. |
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:28 am
Post subject: Re: cotes |
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On 08 Nov 2004, don groves wrote
| Quote: | In article <92avo0pgnj0vh9cpgam66u1dfl9h9eqcdf@4ax.com>, Jim Ward
at tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com poured forth...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:54:59 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Sure: d'Azur, d'Ivoire.
(Oh. I see.)
How come chickens live in a co-op instead of cote?
Because they're socialist, hippie feather-brains.
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Toothless, as well..
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Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years;
Southern England for the past 22 years.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van) |
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J. J. Lodder
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:17 am
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Jim Ward <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
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Du Rhone? Hautes de Bourgogne?
Jan |
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John Lawler
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:38 am
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Jim Ward <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> writes:
| Quote: | Are there any other types of cotes than sheep or dove?
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Webster's New International 2nd edition
http://www.umich.edu/~jlawler/webster2.txt
has
% grep cote$ webster2.txt
hicote
chilicote
copalcocote
cote
hencote
jocote
Morcote
ocote
scote
sheepcote
swinecote
% grep cot$ webster2.txt
apricot
Ascot
ascot
chicot
churchscot
coquelicot
cot
dicot
doocot
dovecot
haricot
lightscot
mascot
massicot
mollycot
monocot
muscot
Penobscot
persicot
picot
plumcot
Romescot
salacot
Scot
scot
Squamscot
tricot
wainscot
Isn't grep wonderful?
-John Lawler http://www.umich.edu/~jlawler U Michigan Linguistics Dept
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:44 am
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Jim Ward filted:
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On 8 Nov 2004 12:45:11 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
Hmmm...so my disused barbecue grill is now a catcote....r
If there's more than one, it's a catscote ... or a cote of many
collars.
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The census varies...this morning, with the rain, there were two...I've seen as
many as six out there at a time....
There are no collars....r |
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