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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:38 pm
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:09 +0000, Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com>
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| Quote: | On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:35 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So far I've recommended it to two people who told me they loved _The
Davinci Code_ (which I don't think I'm going to read). I wonder what
happened.
The DaVinci Code's principal merit is that it's shorter than Foucault.
Other merits include ... hmmm ... No, I can't think of any right now.
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I thought "Foucault's pendulum" was a send-up of books like the Davinci code.
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Martin Ambuhl
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Raymond S. Wise wrote:
| Quote: | Nicaea (now called Nice) -> Nicene, as in "Nicene Creed."
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Wrong Nicaea. The Nicaea (in Bithynia) of the Nicene Creed and the 325
CE Council of Nicaea is now Iznik in Turkey.
Had the Church decided to hold a Council in Liguria, they would have
surely chosen the much more important bishopric of Cemenelum (now
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:03 pm
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Steve Hayes typed thus:
| Quote: | On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:09 +0000, Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com
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On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:35 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So far I've recommended it to two people who told me they loved _The
Davinci Code_ (which I don't think I'm going to read). I wonder what
happened.
The DaVinci Code's principal merit is that it's shorter than Foucault.
Other merits include ... hmmm ... No, I can't think of any right now.
I thought "Foucault's pendulum" was a send-up of books like the Davinci code.
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Damn clever, that Eco, to parody a book 15 years before it was
written.
--
David
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replace the first component of address
with the definite article.
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:03 pm
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:56:10 -0000, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrought:
| Quote: | Steve Hayes typed thus:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:09 +0000, Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com
wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:35 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So far I've recommended it to two people who told me they loved _The
Davinci Code_ (which I don't think I'm going to read). I wonder what
happened.
The DaVinci Code's principal merit is that it's shorter than Foucault.
Other merits include ... hmmm ... No, I can't think of any right now.
I thought "Foucault's pendulum" was a send-up of books like the Davinci code.
Damn clever, that Eco, to parody a book 15 years before it was
written.
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AKA "preemptive plagiarism".
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Ross Howard |
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Will
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:04 pm
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the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1bfb5e6697ae186298a9e4@news.individual.net>...
| Quote: | Wood Avens typed thus:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:30:48 -0800, Charles Riggs
chriggs@comcást.net> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:55:21 -0500, Jim Ward
tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote:
I got halfway through "Foucault" and gave up -I agree it was a mess.
My greatest pleasure while reading the book came from throwing it into
a wastebasket after, like you, I was halfway through it.
I'm feeling decidedly cheered. Up to now I'd assumed that my own
failure to plough on to the end must be evidence of my weakness of
character. Now I know I'm part of a wider community I'll stop
pretending I'm going to pick it up again one day, and take it out of
the pile by the bed where it's festered for a couple of years.
OK, you are all with me on Illuminatus but none of you has finished
Pendulum. Thank goodness for that; I am unique, after all.
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I've finished Illuminatus and Foucault. Didn't rate any of them
particularly - both had good premises but poor execution.
Will. |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:05 pm
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:09 +0000, Wood Avens
<woodavens@askjennison.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:35 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So far I've recommended it to two people who told me they loved _The
Davinci Code_ (which I don't think I'm going to read). I wonder what
happened.
The DaVinci Code's principal merit is that it's shorter than Foucault.
Other merits include ... hmmm ... No, I can't think of any right now.
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Another "merit" is that reading it is like eating peanuts. On
finishing one chapter it is nearly impossible to not read the next
one.
--
Charles Riggs
They are no accented letters in my email address |
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dcw
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:05 pm
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In article <9eb3add6.0411100516.6f4e5cbd@posting.google.com>,
Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote:
| Quote: | D.C.Wood@ukc.ac.uk (dcw) wrote in message news:<41@myrtle.ukc.ac.uk>...
Ridley.
Not to be confused with Mark Ridley, who writes (very well) on the
same sorts of subjects, but for a more academic audience. Matt Ridley
is (or was) a journalist, whereas Mark Ridley is a biologist.
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Matt also has a background in zoology.
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them said of the other (I think it was Matt of Mark) that he was
always happy to be confused with him.
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Right -- it's in the introduction to one of Matt's books. Dennett
writes about "the Ridleys" somewhere.
David |
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don groves
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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In article <MPG.1bfd3982a345b44e98a9f7@news.individual.net>, the
Omrud at usenet.omrud@gmail.com exposited:
| Quote: | Steve Hayes typed thus:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:09 +0000, Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com
wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:35 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So far I've recommended it to two people who told me they loved _The
Davinci Code_ (which I don't think I'm going to read). I wonder what
happened.
The DaVinci Code's principal merit is that it's shorter than Foucault.
Other merits include ... hmmm ... No, I can't think of any right now.
I thought "Foucault's pendulum" was a send-up of books like the Davinci code.
Damn clever, that Eco, to parody a book 15 years before it was
written.
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Pretty dumb of Dan Brown also, to write a book after it's already
been sent up.
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dg (domain=ccwebster) |
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don groves
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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In article <mdf6p0ljrrqdjmbasidmsuhadr38pqmcno@4ax.com>, Charles
Riggs at chriggs@comcást.net exposited:
| Quote: | On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:09 +0000, Wood Avens
woodavens@askjennison.com> wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:35 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So far I've recommended it to two people who told me they loved _The
Davinci Code_ (which I don't think I'm going to read). I wonder what
happened.
The DaVinci Code's principal merit is that it's shorter than Foucault.
Other merits include ... hmmm ... No, I can't think of any right now.
Another "merit" is that reading it is like eating peanuts. On
finishing one chapter it is nearly impossible to not read the next
one.
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Very true, but I wish the book had taken its time a bit more, not
been so damned frenetic. There was so much data and so little
time.
Another book of his, _Angels and Demons_, I liked better (same
frenetic style, though). This one is about a plot to destroy
Vatican City and involves the Illuminati instead of the Priory.
You learn more than you'll ever need to know about the inner
workings and secret tunnels of the Vatican. Most interesting.
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dg (domain=ccwebster) |
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Michael J Hardy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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Raymond S. Wise (mplsrayNOSPAM@gbronline.com) wrote:
| Quote: | Nicaea (now called Nice) -> Nicene, as in "Nicene Creed."
(The adjective now associated with Nice in French is
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You gotta be kidding.
Nicaea's in what is now Turkey and was then essentially
part of Greece (even though Greece was not a state but
an amorphous vaguely defined region). They wrote in Greek.
Why do you think Greek Orthodox theologians can't write a
paragraph without using the word "canonical" five times?
-- Mike Hardy |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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Michael J Hardy filted:
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Nicaea's in what is now Turkey and was then essentially
part of Greece (even though Greece was not a state but
an amorphous vaguely defined region). They wrote in Greek.
Why do you think Greek Orthodox theologians can't write a
paragraph without using the word "canonical" five times?
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If there's one thing I know about music, it's that a canon is *supposed* to be
repetitive....r |
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Carmen L. Abruzzi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:06 pm
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Michael J Hardy wrote:
| Quote: | Raymond S. Wise (mplsrayNOSPAM@gbronline.com) wrote:
Nicaea (now called Nice) -> Nicene, as in "Nicene Creed."
(The adjective now associated with Nice in French is
You gotta be kidding.
Nicaea's in what is now Turkey and was then essentially
part of Greece (even though Greece was not a state but
an amorphous vaguely defined region). They wrote in Greek.
Why do you think Greek Orthodox theologians can't write a
paragraph without using the word "canonical" five times?
Nice was another Nicaea, though, of course, not the creedy |
one. It was really nice back in Roman Times.
Caligula must've come from there. They made some kick-ass
booties. They're still in business today. |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:06 pm
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On 12 Nov 2004 02:53:50 GMT, mjhardy@mit.edu (Michael J Hardy) wrote:
| Quote: | Raymond S. Wise (mplsrayNOSPAM@gbronline.com) wrote:
Nicaea (now called Nice) -> Nicene, as in "Nicene Creed."
(The adjective now associated with Nice in French is
You gotta be kidding.
Nicaea's in what is now Turkey and was then essentially
part of Greece (even though Greece was not a state but
an amorphous vaguely defined region). They wrote in Greek.
Why do you think Greek Orthodox theologians can't write a
paragraph without using the word "canonical" five times?
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The modern name is Iznik, not Nice.
It was part of Bithynia, and was once seat of the Roman government-in-exile
when the Franks occupied Constantinople.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:06 pm
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:33:37 -0800, don groves <dgroves@domain.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <MPG.1bfd3982a345b44e98a9f7@news.individual.net>, the
Omrud at usenet.omrud@gmail.com exposited:
Steve Hayes typed thus:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:23:09 +0000, Wood Avens <woodavens@askjennison.com
wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:35 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
So far I've recommended it to two people who told me they loved _The
Davinci Code_ (which I don't think I'm going to read). I wonder what
happened.
The DaVinci Code's principal merit is that it's shorter than Foucault.
Other merits include ... hmmm ... No, I can't think of any right now.
I thought "Foucault's pendulum" was a send-up of books like the Davinci code.
Damn clever, that Eco, to parody a book 15 years before it was
written.
Pretty dumb of Dan Brown also, to write a book after it's already
been sent up.
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I don't think he lost any lolly over it, though.
I haven't read his book. From all I've heard Baigent et al's "The Mesianic
legacy" has much the same plot, and so a sent-up plagiarism doesn't seem to be
worth spending money on.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:06 pm
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"Carmen L. Abruzzi" <carmenlabruzzi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2vj7ubF2nb10jU1@uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | Michael J Hardy wrote:
Raymond S. Wise (mplsrayNOSPAM@gbronline.com) wrote:
Nicaea (now called Nice) -> Nicene, as in "Nicene Creed."
(The adjective now associated with Nice in French is
You gotta be kidding.
Nicaea's in what is now Turkey and was then essentially
part of Greece (even though Greece was not a state but
an amorphous vaguely defined region). They wrote in Greek.
Why do you think Greek Orthodox theologians can't write a
paragraph without using the word "canonical" five times?
Nice was another Nicaea, though, of course, not the creedy
one. It was really nice back in Roman Times.
Caligula must've come from there. They made some kick-ass
booties. They're still in business today.
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It's been a few years since I got it into my head that the Nicaea of the
"Nicene Creed" was what is now Nice, France. Before writing my post, I did
some searches on the Internet to see whether the "ae" in "Nicaea" should be
spelled with an "ae" ligature. As a result, I saw the following definition
from Noah Webster's 1828 dictionary:
From
http://65.66.134.201/cgi-bin/webster/webster.exe?search_for_texts_web1828=nicene
"*NICENE,* a. Pertaining to Nice, a town of Asia Minor. The Nicene creed,
was a summary of Christian faith composed by the council of Nice against
Arianism, A.D. 325, altered and confirmed by the council of Constantinople,
A.D. 381."
I noted the reference to Nicaea as "Nice," because it was the only page I
found which used the name "Nice," and for a moment I thought of posting the
reference. For whatever reason, however, the "town of Asia Minor" part of
the definition didn't register with me.
--
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com |
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