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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:41 pm
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"meirman" <meirman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:htt1k0l8ngiue8qrpvn304544t796thukk@4ax.com...
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:03:52 GMT "Joanne
Marinelli" <Jozanny@yahoo.com> posted:
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:4140EA37.6BB4@worldnet.att.net...
Joanne Marinelli wrote:
As to what makes one Shiite Persian and a Sunni Arab not Persian,
(though I
Arabs aren't Persian. Anywhere in the world.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net
Okay, but I do not really know the difference between Arabic and Semitic as
Semitic is really,
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The Culture(Language, Ethnicity, possibly religion and Common
ancestery) commonly known as the Semites; are the Best of the
Successful African tribes who moved out of Africa and colonised and
started the Early civilisations....Winner's were Egyptians,
Babylonians and Assyerians and the Kikes were the ZITS!...frequently
squeezed from ALL sides sourrounding Them, and the Rise of the ARYANS
and Iranians.....
Read ALL ANCIENT NORTHERN EUROPEAN TRIBES whom Conqured the Southern
Iranian Platau, and Indian...etc.
The Only time World Peace was ever Achieved, was before the Iranians
elected a King for Jews and They had HIM NAILED and for over 2000
years of "religious wars"......The Family Feud still GOES ON
marg bar Israel/Saudi Arabia/Q8/UAE and of ourse IRAQ!!
the rest of U should Get the HELL OUT OF *OUR*WAY!
Respectfully,
AqA joon Saeid
PS: The Force behind the Term Persian to describe a cut down Iranian
Territory, is a Brain Wave of Mossad agent provocotures, and Helps
their Zionistan ambitions of from Neil to the Eupherateis....
A Kike Wet Dream....were the Wetness Signifies GOYEM ___BLOOD)))
The Zit Needs ANOTHER ____FINAL_____SQUEEZZE____
sorry about my misspellings....English is only my second language. PHP
is my first after a3embler programming
| Quote: | or originally, a language category, including
Arabic, Aramaic, Hebrew, maybe Amharic???, and some others that
probably aren't spoken anymore.
IIRC, antisemite and antisemitic were coined by a hate-filled German
"scientist" or "sociologist" or something to give a
scientific-sounding term to hatred of Jews, to make it seem more
palatable to others, as if it were based on science. AFAIK, this was
the first time a meaning attached to "semitic" was divorced from the
notion of language, because he only meant Jews, not Arabs or others
who spoke Semitic languages. I don't know if he spelled it with a
hyphen after "anti" or not, but I don't use a hyphen, because
separating the two parts of the word adds to the confusion. It makes
it seem like there were Semites to be against, or that he was against
all who spoke semitic languages. At least one of those is false, and
spelling it as one word without a hyphen lessens the impression a bit.
Once in a while, someone who has in mind the de facto meaning of
antisemite uses the word to describe someone who plots or wars against
Jews and also speaks a Semitic language, and some of those times, the
person so described will object that he is a Semite too.
There are loads of examples in English where a word means something
other than its etymology would imply, but rather than argue with
someone who says "I'm a Semite so I can't be antisemitic", I would
normally just change the word to "Jew-hater"^^^^. (Although even that
can have a problem in that the meaning is pretty clear (for example
man-hater means someone who hates men.), one might imagine that Jew is
an adjective there (as in boy-millionaire, child star, Greek king etc.
Most of these are not hyphenated, but of course sometimes people will
be listening and not reading. Even though the adjective form is
"Jewish", those who hate Jews seem to use "Jew" as an adjective, in
order to sound offensive, as in "Jew-salesman".)^^
used to refer to Middle East, or the Islamic world. I have the same problem
with Jewish, in that sense, whether it is a cultural distinction only, or if
there are racial characteristics as well which distinguish one from the
other.
Jews come in all races, and so there are no racial characteristics
that differentiate Jews from non-Jews. Any child of a Jewish mother
is a Jew. And anyone who learns and accepts the beliefs of Judaism,
and commits himself to their practice can become a Jew, and people of
all races have. There have been converts, varying numbers of them each
year, for the last 3300 years. And in fact, all the Israelites and
the mixed multitude of non-Israelites who left Egypt in the Exodus
converted at Mount Sinai to what is now called Judaism.
In the USA, even though one can find Jews of all skin and hair colors
and with all facial features, most Jews are Ashkenazim and most of
them have some similarity in appearance. In Israel, Ashkenazim are
only about half the Jewish population, and groups that are small in
number in the US are not so small proportionally. The diversity is
more noticeable at first than in the US, yet after a while not noticed
at all.
"Jewish" is a more versatile word than "Jew" and "Judaism". Although
there are those who would argue for a non-traditional definition of
the latter^^^, even they have definitions, and there is a clear
traditional definition of each word.
OTOH, "Jewish" can be used more broadly. It's not unreasonable (and
even if it were, people including me do it all the time) to talk about
Jewish food, or Jewish-style food, or a Jewish neighborhood, or a
Jewish sense of humor, or a Jewish outlook on the world (the last,
maybe the last two, is/are? undoubtedly influenced in whole or in part
by Judaism, but sometimes that's not obvious. Especially since
different parts of Judaism can affect various Jews more than other
parts, and other Jews less than those other parts.)
^^^Is this a proper use of "latter"? When there are 3 words and one
wants to refer to the second and third of them, is there a concise
way, without saying "second and third"?
^^^^Also worth pointing out that one is reasonably called a racist, or
a sexist, or an "agist" if s/he holds inaccurate negative stereotypes
about another race, or sex, or age group. And possibly even if he
holds inaccurate *positive* stereotypes about them. Although that
usually doesn't cause many problems, one could argue it's still racist
or sexist etc.
But the word antisemite does not include all people who hold
inaccurate negative or positive stereotypes about Jews. There are lots
of antisemites, but to qualify, they have to have stronger feelings
than many or most sexists and even racists**, who wish no harm. The
prefix "anti-" implies not just that they perceive inaccurately, but
that they are anti-Jews, opposed to Jews in some way or another, at
least in their hearts or minds, whether they act on it or not.
**I say that most sexists and racists wish no harm, because I believe
that the vast majority of Americans (and others, which exactly I don't
know) hold inaccurate stereotypes of the opposite sex or another race
-- they're sexists or racists -- but the majority of *them* might hate
their ex-spouse, if they have one, but don't wish harm on the entire
opposite sex or other race, and don't harbor ill-will against the
other sex or race, against even those they have never met and know
nothing about. The sexists would be sexist, but couldn't be called
anti-female or anti-male. The racists would be racist but most would
pity the other race or think it sad that they don't measure up. But
that doesn't mean they want them to do badly. (This is a major reason
why so many racists deny being racist. Some are just lying and some
are out of touch with their feelings or hiding from them, but many
figure since they don't *want* the other race to fail and don't do
anything to cause it to happen, they are not racist.
AFAIK there is no word parallel to sexist or racist that applies to
Jews or to members of any religion, or to most other groups as well.
But any group name can be prefixed by anti- in order to get an even
stronger meaning.
Joanne
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years |
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