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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Cherry picking (Was: Re: flaunt/flout redux) |
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Peter T. Daniels wrote on 09 Nov 2004:
| Quote: | CyberCypher wrote:
Paul J Kriha wrote on 09 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in
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Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
Steve Hayes wrote:
In SAfE "cherry" is part of the male pudendum.
Yeah? Which part?
I'd bet that it refers to that cute little bald-headed
mouse I used hear about in dirty junior high school jokes.
IOW, the glans penis.
I'd prefer a datum to a guess.
Consider it a datum, Peter.
It has been already suggested here that "cherry" has one
important attribute in common with "blood" and that is being of
"red colour". On the European Continent that is usually
regarded as the main reason for this term "cherry".
Same is true in the USA --- or at least it was when I was a boy
there. Nobody believed that the hymen resembled a cherry.
I am beginning to suspect that most of the people in this
thread have never been with a virgin. :-)
That's probably true. They're hard to find. I have been with
two, my
first wife and a former Japanese girlfriend. That means that the
percentage of virgins I've been with is in single digits, and I
haven't been with all that many women, especially compared with
an old grad school classmate who had reached the 1000 mark before
his 21st birthday.
Boy, are you gullible. Let's say (for ease of calculation) that he
started at 11. That's two different girls every week for ten
years.
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People who need to notch the number of different girls they've
fucked usually fuck at least 5 different girls a week. That's 250 a
year and adds up to 1000 in only 4 years. But this guy was even more
needy and was into fucking two different girls a day. I was into
that for a very brief period, but I just didn't have the stamina or
the interest to keep it up.
| Quote: | I have no idea how many virgins he'd been with by
then, but 30 years ago there were even fewer than there are
today.
Because of population growth, you mean?
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Partly, and partly because 30 years ago in Iowa City lots of people
were into the sexual revolution and practised as much free love as
possible. Herpes simplex was a problem, but not HIV or those nasty
strains of the clap that don't respond to penicillin and its
derivatives.
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Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Cherry picking (Was: Re: flaunt/flout redux) |
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CyberCypher wrote:
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Peter T. Daniels wrote on 09 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher wrote:
Paul J Kriha wrote on 09 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in
message news:Xns959BE2C5482A4cctxt2002@130.133.1.4...
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
Steve Hayes wrote:
In SAfE "cherry" is part of the male pudendum.
Yeah? Which part?
I'd bet that it refers to that cute little bald-headed
mouse I used hear about in dirty junior high school jokes.
IOW, the glans penis.
I'd prefer a datum to a guess.
Consider it a datum, Peter.
It has been already suggested here that "cherry" has one
important attribute in common with "blood" and that is being of
"red colour". On the European Continent that is usually
regarded as the main reason for this term "cherry".
Same is true in the USA --- or at least it was when I was a boy
there. Nobody believed that the hymen resembled a cherry.
I am beginning to suspect that most of the people in this
thread have never been with a virgin. :-)
That's probably true. They're hard to find. I have been with
two, my
first wife and a former Japanese girlfriend. That means that the
percentage of virgins I've been with is in single digits, and I
haven't been with all that many women, especially compared with
an old grad school classmate who had reached the 1000 mark before
his 21st birthday.
Boy, are you gullible. Let's say (for ease of calculation) that he
started at 11. That's two different girls every week for ten
years.
People who need to notch the number of different girls they've
fucked usually fuck at least 5 different girls a week. That's 250 a
year and adds up to 1000 in only 4 years. But this guy was even more
needy and was into fucking two different girls a day. I was into
that for a very brief period, but I just didn't have the stamina or
the interest to keep it up.
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And _you_ call _me_ unpleasant?
| Quote: | I have no idea how many virgins he'd been with by
then, but 30 years ago there were even fewer than there are
today.
Because of population growth, you mean?
Partly, and partly because 30 years ago in Iowa City lots of people
were into the sexual revolution and practised as much free love as
possible. Herpes simplex was a problem, but not HIV or those nasty
strains of the clap that don't respond to penicillin and its
derivatives.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net |
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Neeraj Mathur
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:48 pm
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"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | It has already been enquired what the popping of a cherry, literally,
would be.
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The basic meaning of 'to pop' is to doproduce a certain type of noise - from
its causative/transitive use come things like popping a champagne bottle or
a balloon. To pop a balloon, one squeezes / applies pressure until the
surface breaks - this produces the popping noise. However, the meaning of
'pop a balloon' may be in fact be transferred from the noise to the action
(as a causative), that is, from 'do something to a balloon to cause it to
produce a popping noise' to 'squeeze the balloon until the surface breaks'.
It is from the last meaning, then, that we transfer to 'pop a cherry'. The
meaning of 'pop a cherry' is thus 'to squeeze a cherry until its surface
breaks'.
This breakage is accompanied by a squirting of red juice, which allows the
comparison to the release of blood when the hymen is broken. As this is
often occasioned by the loss of virginity, 'cherry' comes to symbolise
virginity. The final stage is when you talk of 'anal cherries' etc.
It's a long chain of metaphor and transferring meaning, but not an
unbelievable or tenuous one. Of course, I have no sources or data to back it
up; those who are more interested in either proving or disproving it may do
so at leisure.
Neeraj Mathur
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:48 pm
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"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Raymond S. Wise wrote:
At one point, based upon the comments which the editors of MWCD11 made
in
the introductory pages to their dictionary, I was under the impression
that
those editors considered the pronunciations marked with an obelus (for
which
they use the division sign, <÷>)
Since they use a division sign, why are you calling it an obelus (dagger
Ý)? Traditionally, though not in this dictionary, a dagger markes
obsolete words or senses.
"Nucular" is in fact the example given for the use of the division sign.
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I call it an obelus because they call it an obelus in the introductory pages
of their dictionary. That was, in fact, my introduction to the word.
This use of "obelus" can be seen on Merriam-Webster's Web site as well:
From
http://www.m-w.com/help/pronguide.htm
"\ ÷ \ The obelus, or division sign, is placed before a pronunciation
variant that occurs in educated speech but that is considered by some to be
questionable or unacceptable."
From
http://www.m-w.com/help/faq/pronounce.htm
"Both of those pronunciations are clearly preceded by the obelus mark \ ÷ \
(which looks like a division sign)."
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Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Cherry picking (Was: Re: flaunt/flout redux) |
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Å«Å«Peter T. Daniels wrote:
| Quote: | Raymond S. Wise wrote:
At one point, based upon the comments which the editors of MWCD11 made in
the introductory pages to their dictionary, I was under the impression that
those editors considered the pronunciations marked with an obelus (for which
they use the division sign, <÷>)
Since they use a division sign, why are you calling it an obelus (dagger
Ã)? Traditionally, though not in this dictionary, a dagger markes
obsolete words or senses.
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It is Raymond that is calling it an obelus, it's the MWCD11 that does
so. Let's look at the MWCD11 definition for <obelus>:
1 : a symbol - or ÷ used in ancient manuscripts to mark a questionable
passage
2 : the symbol ÷
Why the MWCD11 editors don't have the dagger '†' as one of the symbols
used as examples in the definition, you'll have to ask them. It's in
the first sense in COD10&11:
obelus /"Qb(@)l@s/
· n. (pl. obeli /-lVI, -li;/)
1 a symbol (†) used as a reference mark in printed matter, or to
indicate that a person is deceased.
2 a mark (– or ÷) used in ancient manuscripts to mark a word or passage
as spurious or doubtful.
– ORIGIN ME: via L. from Gk obelos ‘pointed pillar’, also ‘critical mark’. |
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Ben Zimmer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:00 pm
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Martin Ambuhl wrote:
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Raymond S. Wise wrote:
At one point, based upon the comments which the editors of MWCD11
made in the introductory pages to their dictionary, I was under the
impression that those editors considered the pronunciations marked
with an obelus (for which they use the division sign, <÷>)
Since they use a division sign, why are you calling it an obelus
(dagger †)? Traditionally, though not in this dictionary, a dagger
markes obsolete words or senses.
It is Raymond that is calling it an obelus, it's the MWCD11 that does
so. Let's look at the MWCD11 definition for <obelus>:
1 : a symbol - or ÷ used in ancient manuscripts to mark a questionable
passage
2 : the symbol ÷
Why the MWCD11 editors don't have the dagger '†' as one of the symbols
used as examples in the definition, you'll have to ask them.
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The folks at MW have apparently decided that '÷' is called an "obelus"
and '†' is called a "dagger". Confusingly, they say that "obelisk" can
refer to either '÷' or '†'. |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:00 pm
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:00:16 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | But I thought he might have seen my answers to the others by the time he saw
my answer to his.
But not before he posted his question! (Not that one can tell when
Jacques is posting; there's some weird interaction among his systems
that throws his time zone off. Someone recently posted yet another set
of suggestions for fixing it -- maybe they worked.)
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Of course not.
But having answered two other people who had asked the same question, which I
would be uploading at the same time, I thought i could just refer him to my
other answers.
I'm about to go to bed and Cybercypher isabout to wake up -- from what I can
see it's light in Sydney and will be light in an hour or so in Taiwan. Any
questions asked now won't get a response from me for 8 hours or so.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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John A Rea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Cherry picking (Was: Re: flaunt/flout redux) |
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CyberCypher wrote:
| Quote: | Paul J Kriha wrote on 09 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in message
news:Xns959BE2C5482A4cctxt2002@130.133.1.4...
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
Steve Hayes wrote:
In SAfE "cherry" is part of the male pudendum.
Yeah? Which part?
I'd bet that it refers to that cute little bald-headed mouse I
used hear about in dirty junior high school jokes. IOW, the
glans penis.
I'd prefer a datum to a guess.
Consider it a datum, Peter.
It has been already suggested here that "cherry" has one important
attribute in common with "blood" and that is being of "red
colour". On the European Continent that is usually regarded as the
main reason for this term "cherry".
Same is true in the USA --- or at least it was when I was a boy
there. Nobody believed that the hymen resembled a cherry.
I am beginning to suspect that most of the people in this thread
have never been with a virgin. :-)
That's probably true. They're hard to find. I have been with two, my
first wife and a former Japanese girlfriend. That means that the
percentage of virgins I've been with is in single digits, and I
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
haven't been with all that many women, especially compared with an
old grad school classmate who had reached the 1000 mark before his
21st birthday. I have no idea how many virgins he'd been with by
then, but 30 years ago there were even fewer than there are today.
Could you possibly rephrase, lest too manly digits have a bad |
effect on these poor virgins?
Jack |
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John A Rea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Cherry picking (Was: Re: flaunt/flout redux) |
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CyberCypher wrote:
| Quote: | Paul J Kriha wrote on 09 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in message
news:Xns959BE2C5482A4cctxt2002@130.133.1.4...
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
Steve Hayes wrote:
In SAfE "cherry" is part of the male pudendum.
Yeah? Which part?
I'd bet that it refers to that cute little bald-headed mouse I
used hear about in dirty junior high school jokes. IOW, the
glans penis.
I'd prefer a datum to a guess.
Consider it a datum, Peter.
It has been already suggested here that "cherry" has one important
attribute in common with "blood" and that is being of "red
colour". On the European Continent that is usually regarded as the
main reason for this term "cherry".
Same is true in the USA --- or at least it was when I was a boy
there. Nobody believed that the hymen resembled a cherry.
I am beginning to suspect that most of the people in this thread
have never been with a virgin. :-)
That's probably true. They're hard to find. I have been with two, my
first wife and a former Japanese girlfriend. That means that the
percentage of virgins I've been with is in single digits, and I
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
haven't been with all that many women, especially compared with an
old grad school classmate who had reached the 1000 mark before his
21st birthday. I have no idea how many virgins he'd been with by
then, but 30 years ago there were even fewer than there are today.
Could you possibly rephrase, lest too manly digits have a bad |
effect on these poor virgins?
Jack |
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Peter Moylan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:55 am
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' ) biped:
| Quote: | Adrian Bailey wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"
stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
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I'll try and believe that your alright.
_beleive_
There's an art in functional illiteracy and you have went too far.
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You guys are really aggravating me.
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:33 pm
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Peter Moylan wrote:
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' ) biped:
Adrian Bailey wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"
stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:418D8388.D9CB2DD6@backpacker.com...
I'll try and believe that your alright.
_beleive_
There's an art in functional illiteracy and you have went too far.
You guys are really aggravating me.
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So I was feeding the hummingbirds but not changing the feeder sugar
water quickly enough and it fermented into something like that stuff
that Hunter S Thompson was drinking in the Rum Diary, anyway, so I had
these drunk birds flying everywhere just like mosquitoes in Minnesota,
dashing up one side of me, darting down the other, crashing into the
windows, falling off their perches, didn't even know they perched,
flying backwards, flying backwards, it was like something out of the
Exorcist. After a while though, I got bored with it all. Next Summer I'm
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Paul J Kriha
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:34 pm
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Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Paul J Kriha wrote:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in message
news:Xns959BE2C5482A4cctxt2002@130.133.1.4...
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
CyberCypher wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote on 08 Nov 2004:
Steve Hayes wrote:
In SAfE "cherry" is part of the male pudendum.
Yeah? Which part?
I'd bet that it refers to that cute little bald-headed mouse I used
hear about in dirty junior high school jokes. IOW, the glans penis.
I'd prefer a datum to a guess.
Consider it a datum, Peter.
It has been already suggested here that "cherry" has one important
attribute in common with "blood" and that is being of "red colour".
On the European Continent that is usually regarded as the main
reason for this term "cherry".
It has already been enquired what the popping of a cherry, literally,
would be.
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I am more familiar with expressions like "taking her cherry" or
"stealing her cherry". :-)
| Quote: | I am beginning to suspect that most of the people in this thread
have never been with a virgin. :-)
One refrains from comment.
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Well, after all, it was a rhetorical non-question. :-)
PJK
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:03 pm
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Jordan Abel wrote:
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
I.e., he excluded female anal virginity, and he was simply wrong.
You've made no case that the term "cherry" refers to such, and have indeed
provided at least one counterexample.
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For the third (at least) time, look at any pornography store, and you
will find endless references to "anal cherries."
Why do you keep trying to shut me out of your conversation?
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net |
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Jordan Abel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:03 pm
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
| Quote: | I.e., he excluded female anal virginity, and he was simply wrong.
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You've made no case that the term "cherry" refers to such, and have indeed
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Reinhold (Rey) Aman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:03 pm
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SLB Petey Daniels kirjoitti:
| Quote: | Reinhold (Rey) Aman wrote:
"Excluding" *female* anal virginity from my casual mention above is
not wrong or indicative of overt or covert misogyny. When regular
(i.e., other than you) men think of women sexually, they think of
pussy or mouth, not of anus.
Despite your self-vaunted expertise in such matters,
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Oooooooh! A new one. Here are two more, you envious little schmuck:
"self-anointed" and "self-aggrandizing."
| Quote: | it's obvious that you haven't observed the array of pornography
offered up for your, or their, delectation.
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As usual, I'm asking myself: "How the FUCK do you know?" You're an
athletic little bugger, aren't you: always jumping -- jumping to the
wrong conclusion, that is.
You're ignorant of what I know, do, or observe. Contrary to your -- as
usual -- wrong assumption, I know much about every conceivable
perversion, from popping female anal cherries to necrophiliacs' delights.
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Reinhold (Rey) Aman, Philologist
AUEer Emeritus & Eremitus |
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