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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:04 pm
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:13:41 +0100, "Anzelm Kociubajka" <anzelm_k@gazet(k)a.pl>
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| Quote: | No matter how stupid your request is (as you mentioned, you wanted to get
an intelligent discussion) - I will disappoint you: that sick experiment had
already been carried out in 1794 by Antoine Lavoisier, the French scientist,
who established the Law of Conservation of Mass and proved Priestley's
discoveries concerning oxygen, hydrogen and the chemical composition of the
atmosphere.
When he was to be beheaded, he asked those watching the execution to count
how many times he would blink his eyes after his head was cut off. It turned
out that he was able to blink his eyelids seventeen times after the
execution. Now - no matter what we think about experiments carried out in
such hostile and inhuman circumstances - we have to admit tha Lavoisier was
a real scientist, who - even facing death - thought of yet another
exploration of nature mysteries.
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Now though you'd have said
that head was dead
for its owner dead was he
It stood on its neck
with a smile well bred
and bowed three times to me.
It was none of your impudent offhand nods
But as humble as could be
for it clearly knew
the deference due
to a man of pedigree.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Anzelm Kociubajka
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:01 pm
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"Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net> wrote in news:2v55dsF2gs3npU1@uni-berlin.de...
Maybe you are right - I hav no idea whether that is true or not. I heard
about it in some documentary on BBC once.
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Anzelm Kociubakja |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:29 pm
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John Varela wrote:
And here's part of a post I made to afu 6 months ago:
| Quote: | This has been under discussion in The Times recently in their
Questions Answered column. Today there is a lengthy quote from a
French doctor:
"A Dr Beaurieux reported, after attending the execution of a certain
M. Languille in 1905, that "Immediately after decapitation the
eyelids and lips of the guillotined man worked in irregularly
rhythmic contractions for about five or six seconds.
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This incident, and various others, is in Mary Roach's excellent book
'Stiff:
The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers'.
She makes reference to :
- M. Martin, assistant to the official executioner in Paris during the
early
19th Century who reckoned to have seen 120 heads within 2 seconds of
decapitation and detected no motion of eyes, lips or anything else.
- Dr Brown-Séquard who cut off a dog's head in 1857, waited 8 minutes
(quelle finesse) and injected the head with arterial injections of
oxygenated blood. He reported eye movement. (In the dog. Obviously,
*his*
eyes were moving anyway)
- Dr J.P.V. Laborde who, in the late 19th Century, was allowed by the
French
Government to experiment on guillotined heads. Mainly he bored holes
through
the skull and stuck needles in the brain through which he passed
electrical
currents. He got responses, but could not be sure if they were reflex or
indicative of residual consciousness.
- In the 1950s Vladimir Demikov of the USSR conducted many experiments
of
grafting the severed head of a puppy onto a dog (without removing any
part
of the dog). He reported activity in the donor heads, including drinking
milk, biting a member of his staff and, on one occasion, biting the dog
onto
which it had been transplanted. This is regarded as not counting as it
is
known that brains can be kept alive on an artificial blood supply.
- In the 60s a neurosurgeon Robert White in the USA succeeded in
transplanting a severed monkey's head onto a decapitated monkey's body
(this
is two different monkeys, folks). He did this several times and the
resulting 'thing' lived from several hours to a couple days. The head
worked
as expected - eyes moved to track objects and when food was put in the
mouth
it tried to swallow. Which, as Ms Roach points out, was a dirty trick
because the oesophagus hadn't been reconnected.
I cannot, BTW, recommend Mary Roach's book too highly. It is informative
and
witty. It covers all aspects of what happens to bodies after death.
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John Dean
Oxford
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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:32 pm
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:29:08 +0100, "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | This incident, and various others, is in Mary Roach's excellent book
'Stiff:
The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers'.
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I've seen that book at my bookstore, did you like it? Reading about
cadavers always makes me a little squeamish. Plus there's so many
Crime Scence Investigator shows on TV entertaining one with more than
you ever wanted to know about forensics. Not to mention Patricia
Cornwall. |
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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:34 pm
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| Quote: | On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:29:08 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
I cannot, BTW, recommend Mary Roach's book too highly. It is informative
and witty. It covers all aspects of what happens to bodies after death.
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Sorry, I didn't read to the end of your post before posting my last
question! I apologize! |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:23 am
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Steve Hayes rakstija:
| Quote: | "Jess Askin" wrote:
"Jim Ward" wrote:
"Bill Bonde wrote:
Let me get this straight, you try to get intelligent discussion
going by posting about talking to people's heads after they are
cut off their bodies?
I am shocked by his presumption that he couldn't get an intelligent
discussion in AUE!
I'm shocked that he thought he could get it in Mensa. The people I
know who belong are all real idiots.
The ones I know who belong are just insecure, thought that sometimes
makes them say idiotic things.
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I am quite sure that many of the posters in this group qualify for Mensa
membership. Some even have been or are members. About that idiotic thing
stuff, well, shit happens.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:04 am
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Jim Ward wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:29:08 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
This incident, and various others, is in Mary Roach's excellent book
'Stiff:
The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers'.
I've seen that book at my bookstore, did you like it? Reading about
cadavers always makes me a little squeamish. Plus there's so many
Crime Scence Investigator shows on TV entertaining one with more than
you ever wanted to know about forensics. Not to mention Patricia
Cornwall.
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If you're squeamish, you may want to avoid it. But I think it's an
excellent book - informative, interesting and at times very very funny.
--
John Dean
Oxford |
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Peter Moylan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:07 am
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John Dean biped:
| Quote: | - Dr Brown-Séquard who cut off a dog's head in 1857, waited 8 minutes
(quelle finesse) and injected the head with arterial injections of
oxygenated blood. He reported eye movement. (In the dog. Obviously,
*his*
eyes were moving anyway)
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In my family we (well, my father) used to decapitate a chook each
Christmas. After the operation the chook could usually manage about
two laps of the back yard before falling over.
The head didn't react much; but then the head of even a live chook
never shows much sign of awareness.
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Peter Moylan peter at ee dot newcastle dot edu dot au
http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au (OS/2 and eCS information and software) |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:00 pm
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Peter Moylan <peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
| Quote: | John Dean biped:
- Dr Brown-Séquard who cut off a dog's head in 1857, waited 8 minutes
(quelle finesse) and injected the head with arterial injections of
oxygenated blood. He reported eye movement. (In the dog. Obviously,
*his*
eyes were moving anyway)
In my family we (well, my father) used to decapitate a chook each
Christmas. After the operation the chook could usually manage about
two laps of the back yard before falling over.
The head didn't react much; but then the head of even a live chook
never shows much sign of awareness.
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Stephen Fry told his BBC audience last Friday about Mike the Headless
Chicken and gave the URL of a website. Apparently the chicken lived 18
months in 1945-6 without a head. The family fed it with an eyedropper.
http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/images/originals%20z/index.htm
http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.htm
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Spehro Pefhany
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:57 pm
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:52:16 +0100, the renowned trio@euronet.nl
(Donna Richoux) wrote:
| Quote: | Peter Moylan <peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
John Dean biped:
- Dr Brown-Séquard who cut off a dog's head in 1857, waited 8 minutes
(quelle finesse) and injected the head with arterial injections of
oxygenated blood. He reported eye movement. (In the dog. Obviously,
*his*
eyes were moving anyway)
In my family we (well, my father) used to decapitate a chook each
Christmas. After the operation the chook could usually manage about
two laps of the back yard before falling over.
The head didn't react much; but then the head of even a live chook
never shows much sign of awareness.
Stephen Fry told his BBC audience last Friday about Mike the Headless
Chicken and gave the URL of a website. Apparently the chicken lived 18
months in 1945-6 without a head. The family fed it with an eyedropper.
http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/images/originals%20z/index.htm
http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.htm
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And they missed a chance to have it run for public office?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:42 pm
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Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:52:16 +0100, the renowned trio@euronet.nl
(Donna Richoux) wrote:
Peter Moylan <peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
In my family we (well, my father) used to decapitate a chook each
Christmas. After the operation the chook could usually manage about
two laps of the back yard before falling over.
The head didn't react much; but then the head of even a live chook
never shows much sign of awareness.
Stephen Fry told his BBC audience last Friday about Mike the Headless
Chicken and gave the URL of a website. Apparently the chicken lived 18
months in 1945-6 without a head. The family fed it with an eyedropper.
http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/images/originals%20z/index.htm
http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.htm
And they missed a chance to have it run for public office?
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Nah, they're a-head of you on that one, although I don't see that the
campaign for "I Like Mike" consists of more than a few coffee mugs:
http://www.coloradowest.us/MTHC/accessories.htm
Although, even if one can have no brain and become president, I would
think that still being alive would be required. Mike was toast decades
ago.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:38 pm
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:42:54 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) wrote:
| Quote: | Although, even if one can have no brain and become president, I would
think that still being alive would be required. Mike was toast decades
ago.
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How many politicians have died as many times as Arafat?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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