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Juuitchan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:12 am
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A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what I
meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging, caressing,
etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right? |
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:12 am
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"Juuitchan" <juuitchan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Aokay (David G. Bryce) wrote:
On 6 Feb 2005 18:28:35 -0800, "Juuitchan" <juuitchan@hotmail.com
wrote:
A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what
I
meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging,
caressing,
etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
What did she say and do? Her reaction might indicate that her
understanding of English idiom was better than yours. 'Make out
with' _- luckily or unluckily, as the case may be, for you --
definitely does suggest sexual intercourse.
Good luck.
aokay
It appears that there is some sort of dialect difference here. Is this
a case of two generations speaking different dialects? I would guess
that this girl was born about 1984.
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In American popular culture, the term "making out" does not imply sexual
intercourse. If you told me that you had "made out" with a girl last night,
I would understand that you had done some serious kissing and, perhaps, some
groping. Dictionaries seem to offer the term as capable of implying sexual
intercourse, but it has neither been popularly used nor popularly understood
that way for at least the last 25 years. I cannot speak to its usage prior
to that. You may find an occasional recent exception, but it would have to
be an exceptional exception to be accepted as meaning "sexual intercourse."
Mike |
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:12 am
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lightbulb wrote:
| Quote: | In American popular culture, the term "making out" does not imply sexual
intercourse. If you told me that you had "made out" with a girl last night,
I would understand that you had done some serious kissing and, perhaps, some
groping. Dictionaries seem to offer the term as capable of implying sexual
intercourse, but it has neither been popularly used nor popularly understood
that way for at least the last 25 years.
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Over 30 years and counting. _Happy Days_ premiered in 1974 (not counting
that _Love American Style_ thing) and "making out" was addressed pretty
early on I think. I think the citations will demonstrate the link between
"making out" and _Happy Days_, as they certainly have demonstrated the
truth of the Potsie Thesis if not the Fonzie Thesis (yet).
| Quote: | I cannot speak to its usage prior
to that.
You may find an occasional recent exception, but it would have to
be an exceptional exception to be accepted as meaning "sexual intercourse."
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It might depend on what the meaning of "is" is, as they say.
In case it's not obvious, the interesting thing about _Happy Days_ in this
regard was how it sort of resurrected the notion of there being
non-intercoursal sexual activity among adolescents, after a decade of
sexual revolution. Did hippies "make out"? No, they had orgies and
love-ins and things like that (NTTAWWOALIATLT).
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:12 am
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"R J Valentine" <rj@smart.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:04:01 -0500 lightbulb <lightbulb@chartermi.net
wrote:
} "Juuitchan" <juuitchan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
} news:1107743315.507221.256020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
}> A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
}> hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what I
}> meant.
}
}> "Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging, caressing,
}> etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
}
}
} Yes, making out does not imply sexual intercourse. I wish you better
luck
} with the next girl, as this one ostensibly
Oy!
} did not afford you the
} opportunity to teach her what you meant.
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Over and above the strategic placement of "Oy!", I humbly request a more
detailed objection. I'm either too ignorant to know better, or too tired to
see the obvious.
Mike |
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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:12 am
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:11:42 GMT, Tony Cooper
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| Quote: | I can. The usage 40 or 50 years ago did not include more than a good
lead off first base.
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Second base, maybe, but then there's that short stop. |
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lightbulb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:12 am
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"Jim Ward" <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:11:42 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
I can. The usage 40 or 50 years ago did not include more than a good
lead off first base.
Second base, maybe, but then there's that short stop.
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The move to the back seat, or the guy with whom she went home?
Mike |
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Richard Maurer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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Juuitchan wrote:
A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her.
I hope that she did not take it to mean something different
from what I meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging,
caressing, etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
Juuitchan later wrote:
It appears that there is some sort of dialect difference here.
Is this a case of two generations speaking different dialects?
I would guess that this girl was born about 1984.
Mike lightbulb wrote:
In American popular culture, the term "making out" does not imply
sexual intercourse. If you told me that you had "made out" with a girl
last night, I would understand that you had done some serious kissing
and, perhaps, some groping. Dictionaries seem to offer the term
as capable of implying sexual intercourse, but it has neither been
popularly used nor popularly understood that way for at least
the last 25 years. I cannot speak to its usage prior to that.
Tony Cooper wrote:
I can. The usage 40 or 50 years ago did not include
more than a good lead off first base.
Jim Ward wrote:
Second base, maybe, but then there's that short stop.
From a bit of web searching, I think that the term is one way
the same as in 1950, but different in practice.
It seems to mean the same activity.
The difference is that in 1950 "making out" was a complete
activity. When it was over you went home. Nowadays it might
be a course in a five course meal. Hence all of those
search hits for <"make out" condom>.
Looks reminiscent of how "making love" changed primary
meanings over the years.
We need some experts born around 1984.
(And was Juuitchan born near 1984?)
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Richard Maurer To reply, remove half
Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:54:27 -0500, "Aokay (David G. Bryce)"
<U.Name.It@spammers.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 6 Feb 2005 18:28:35 -0800, "Juuitchan" <juuitchan@hotmail.com
wrote:
A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what I
meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging, caressing,
etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
What did she say and do? Her reaction might indicate that her
understanding of English idiom was better than yours. 'Make out
with' _- luckily or unluckily, as the case may be, for you --
definitely does suggest sexual intercourse.
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Date and place that, David. I have no idea what "making out" may mean
today, or where you are, but there are generations of us that made out
that used it to mean exactly what Juuitchan thought it meant. |
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:04:01 -0500 lightbulb <lightbulb@chartermi.net> wrote:
} "Juuitchan" <juuitchan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
} news:1107743315.507221.256020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
}> A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
}> hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what I
}> meant.
}>
}> "Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging, caressing,
}> etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
}>
}
} Yes, making out does not imply sexual intercourse. I wish you better luck
} with the next girl, as this one ostensibly
Oy!
} did not afford you the
} opportunity to teach her what you meant.
--
R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@smart.net> |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:53:15 -0500, "lightbulb"
<lightbulb@chartermi.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In American popular culture, the term "making out" does not imply sexual
intercourse. If you told me that you had "made out" with a girl last night,
I would understand that you had done some serious kissing and, perhaps, some
groping. Dictionaries seem to offer the term as capable of implying sexual
intercourse, but it has neither been popularly used nor popularly understood
that way for at least the last 25 years. I cannot speak to its usage prior
to that.
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I can. The usage 40 or 50 years ago did not include more than a good
lead off first base. |
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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On 7 Feb 2005 03:58:36 GMT Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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} slang. I don't know whether "make out" ever *was* popular during the
} 1950s, but thanks to _Happy Days_ it enjoyed a revival. See also "Fonzie
} Thesis", "Potsie Thesis".
Sure, it was. And how about that thirty-year reunion? I lost interest
when they started showing softball games, and more when they started
bragging about winning games with American servicemen. My service
softball experience correlates with my experience in tapping a keg. Kegs
are best tapped sober, and winning a softball game with kegs in use is
nothing to brag about.
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R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@smart.net> |
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Juuitchan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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Aokay (David G. Bryce) wrote:
| Quote: | On 6 Feb 2005 18:28:35 -0800, "Juuitchan" <juuitchan@hotmail.com
wrote:
A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what
I
meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging,
caressing,
etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
What did she say and do? Her reaction might indicate that her
understanding of English idiom was better than yours. 'Make out
with' _- luckily or unluckily, as the case may be, for you --
definitely does suggest sexual intercourse.
Good luck.
aokay
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It appears that there is some sort of dialect difference here. Is this
a case of two generations speaking different dialects? I would guess
that this girl was born about 1984. |
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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Areff wrote:
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Juuitchan wrote:
A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what I
meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging, caressing,
etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
Correct. This usage was popularized by the sitcom _Happy Days_ during the
1970s. As with a number of other terms used extensively on that show --
"cool", "nerd", "chick" -- "make out" was presented as outmoded 1950s
slang. I don't know whether "make out" ever *was* popular during the
1950s, but thanks to _Happy Days_ it enjoyed a revival. See also "Fonzie
Thesis", "Potsie Thesis".
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Not to mention the "Areff Thesis," which postulates that "Richard
Fontana" is in fact a program residing on a DEC PDP 11 and fiercely
nostalgic for The Good Old Days.
"Make out" as a term for all sorts of quasi-sexual activity that
never got close to a home run was virtually ubiquitous among
American teens in the Fifties. A young lady who went "all the way"
was said to "put out." Old Farts like I are quite familiar with
these terms. "Necking" was still in use, but "petting," at least in
the circles I traveled in, was rare.
I still remember the nominating speech given by a high-school
acquaintance of mine nominating his girlfriend for some class
officer. He told us "She has something you just can't put your
finger on." Brought town the house.
Well, we were young.
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Liebs |
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Aokay (David G. Bryce)
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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On 6 Feb 2005 18:28:35 -0800, "Juuitchan" <juuitchan@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what I
meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging, caressing,
etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
|
What did she say and do? Her reaction might indicate that her
understanding of English idiom was better than yours. 'Make out
with' _- luckily or unluckily, as the case may be, for you --
definitely does suggest sexual intercourse.
Good luck.
aokay |
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:13 am
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Juuitchan wrote:
| Quote: | A few days ago, I told a girl that I wanted to make out with her. I
hope that she did not take it to mean something different from what I
meant.
"Make out with" refers to (possibly deep) kissing, hugging, caressing,
etc., right? It does not imply sexual intercourse, right?
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Correct. This usage was popularized by the sitcom _Happy Days_ during the
1970s. As with a number of other terms used extensively on that show --
"cool", "nerd", "chick" -- "make out" was presented as outmoded 1950s
slang. I don't know whether "make out" ever *was* popular during the
1950s, but thanks to _Happy Days_ it enjoyed a revival. See also "Fonzie
Thesis", "Potsie Thesis".
--
Steny '08! |
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