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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:23 am
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In article <4bcc06c7.0409100743.37f80166@posting.google.com>,
"semiretired@my-deja.com" <semiretired@my-deja.com> writes
| Quote: | Marc Adler wrote
semiretired wrote
Branch of English or a Separate Language?
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Just awkward sponging separatist ****s.
| Quote: | www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/language/scots/index.htm
Or a low blow?
(URL link corrected above)
Worth reading the text aloud IMHO
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Overseen poster in Scottish Institution
Gran' meetin the nicht.
Ti discuss i spellin in wirdin i this poster un foo ti prinoonce it.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:20 pm
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In article <mMR0d.870$OB2.613@twister.socal.rr.com>, Marc Adler
<marc.adler@gmail.com> writes
| Quote: | Robert Bannister wrote:
I wonder whether the few remaining first-language Gaelic speakers
think the same way about Scots English.
Are there any people who speak Gaelic better and more often than English?
West Coasters and Islanders.It is alleged some use Gaelic more often |
when English speakers are around, just to be awkward,
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:05 am
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Z wrote:
| Quote: | In article <mMR0d.870$OB2.613@twister.socal.rr.com>, Marc Adler
marc.adler@gmail.com> writes
Robert Bannister wrote:
I wonder whether the few remaining first-language Gaelic speakers
think the same way about Scots English.
Are there any people who speak Gaelic better and more often than English?
West Coasters and Islanders.It is alleged some use Gaelic more often
when English speakers are around, just to be awkward,
Sounds like the North Welsh. |
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Rob Bannister
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Alan Edgey
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:26 am
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Robert Bannister <robban@it.net.au> wrote in message news:<2rha42F1b1f2iU2@uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | Z wrote:
In article <mMR0d.870$OB2.613@twister.socal.rr.com>, Marc Adler
marc.adler@gmail.com> writes
Robert Bannister wrote:
I wonder whether the few remaining first-language Gaelic speakers
think the same way about Scots English.
Are there any people who speak Gaelic better and more often than English?
West Coasters and Islanders.It is alleged some use Gaelic more often
when English speakers are around, just to be awkward,
Sounds like the North Welsh.
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When in France I've noticed the French doing that as well. Every time
I walk into someplace they all start speaking French. Damned
irritating all these people speaking their own language in their own
country. I can't understand why they don't just speak English like
normal people.
Alan |
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:40 am
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Alan Edgey wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Bannister <robban@it.net.au> wrote in message news:<2rha42F1b1f2iU2@uni-berlin.de>...
Z wrote:
In article <mMR0d.870$OB2.613@twister.socal.rr.com>, Marc Adler
marc.adler@gmail.com> writes
Robert Bannister wrote:
I wonder whether the few remaining first-language Gaelic speakers
think the same way about Scots English.
Are there any people who speak Gaelic better and more often than English?
West Coasters and Islanders.It is alleged some use Gaelic more often
when English speakers are around, just to be awkward,
Sounds like the North Welsh.
When in France I've noticed the French doing that as well. Every time
I walk into someplace they all start speaking French. Damned
irritating all these people speaking their own language in their own
country. I can't understand why they don't just speak English like
normal people.
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There is a slight difference. I haven't been to a Gaelic speaking area,
but I noticed many times in North Wales that people had been speaking
English and changed as I entered the building. I did not notice many
French people speaking English amongst themselves.
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Paul J Kriha
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:40 pm
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Alan Edgey <AlanEdgey@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2d2028d5.0409241326.6349bb54@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Robert Bannister <robban@it.net.au> wrote in message news:<2rha42F1b1f2iU2@uni-berlin.de>...
Z wrote:
In article <mMR0d.870$OB2.613@twister.socal.rr.com>, Marc Adler
marc.adler@gmail.com> writes
Robert Bannister wrote:
I wonder whether the few remaining first-language Gaelic speakers
think the same way about Scots English.
Are there any people who speak Gaelic better and more often than English?
West Coasters and Islanders.It is alleged some use Gaelic more often
when English speakers are around, just to be awkward,
Sounds like the North Welsh.
When in France I've noticed the French doing that as well. Every time
I walk into someplace they all start speaking French. Damned
irritating all these people speaking their own language in their own
country. I can't understand why they don't just speak English like
normal people.
Alan
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It's obvious why, innit? They're all foreigners in France!
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:39 pm
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Alan Edgey wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Bannister <robban@it.net.au> wrote in message
news:<2rha42F1b1f2iU2@uni-berlin.de>...
Z wrote:
In article <mMR0d.870$OB2.613@twister.socal.rr.com>, Marc Adler
marc.adler@gmail.com> writes
Robert Bannister wrote:
I wonder whether the few remaining first-language Gaelic
speakers
think the same way about Scots English.
Are there any people who speak Gaelic better and more often than
English?
West Coasters and Islanders.It is alleged some use Gaelic more
often
when English speakers are around, just to be awkward,
Sounds like the North Welsh.
When in France I've noticed the French doing that as well. Every
time
I walk into someplace they all start speaking French. [...]
I didn't hear it myself, and I've reported it here before, but I did |
once read in the paper that a woman (at a bus-stop?) was overheard to
say, "I don't know why the Welsh want to have their own language: we
don't."
Mike. |
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Mark Barratt
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:02 pm
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | I didn't hear it myself, and I've reported it here before, but I did
once read in the paper that a woman (at a bus-stop?) was overheard to
say, "I don't know why the Welsh want to have their own language: we
don't."
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Well we don't, do we? We have to share ours with all you outlandish
folk.
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:12 am
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Jacques Guy wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Bannister wrote:
I did not notice many
French people speaking English amongst themselves.
Could it possibly be because most do not speak
fluent English at all? Fancy, what an intriguing
thought.
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Good to see the famous French sense of humour is alive and well.
Mike. |
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Jacques Guy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:46 am
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Robert Bannister wrote:
| Quote: | I did not notice many
French people speaking English amongst themselves.
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Could it possibly be because most do not speak
fluent English at all? Fancy, what an intriguing
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:20 am
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Jacques Guy wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Bannister wrote:
I did not notice many
French people speaking English amongst themselves.
Could it possibly be because most do not speak
fluent English at all? Fancy, what an intriguing
thought.
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What's the name of the latest big seller? - "Bonjour Paresse".
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:21 am
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | I didn't hear it myself, and I've reported it here before, but I did
once read in the paper that a woman (at a bus-stop?) was overheard to
say, "I don't know why the Welsh want to have their own language: we
don't."
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Good one! That's like the people who think they have no accent.
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Love a Sheep
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:43 am
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Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message news:<k6v281hx.fsf@hpl.hp.com>...
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That's the longest modern text I've ever seen in Scots, and it was
surprisingly readable to this English speaker. Are there any native
speakers here who can say whether it's the normal way they'd say it or
whether it was an especially "English-friendly" wording?
In Scotland there are (like *ngland) so many different accents. In |
sheep country (Aberdeen) where myself and country loon are best
buddies you hear a dialect known as Doric spoken which is nuffink like
what you see on that web page on the Scots parliament. I don't know
anybody in central Scotland that speaks like that either. Maybe in
Burns time they spoke like that in Ayreshire. Trouble is they have
stereotyped Scots into a 'language'. Well it may be a language (I am
no linguist) but if it is then it is several and not just one.
In Glasgow you would never hear anybody speaking like that though the
odd word here and there may well be used for effect. For instance we
use the word 'Glekit' to describe a vacant look - 'That loon is awfy
glekit lookin' - that boy is awful vacant looking. Glekit would be
used all oevr Scotland but not so with many other words eg Brander in
Aberdeen = Stank in Glasgow (a grating over the road which is a
drain).
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:43 am
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"Love a Sheep" <sheepshaggerx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:264c4ea4.0409271343.7c257f28@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
news:<k6v281hx.fsf@hpl.hp.com>...
That's the longest modern text I've ever seen in Scots, and it was
surprisingly readable to this English speaker. Are there any native
speakers here who can say whether it's the normal way they'd say it or
whether it was an especially "English-friendly" wording?
In Scotland there are (like *ngland) so many different accents. In
sheep country (Aberdeen) where myself and country loon are best
buddies you hear a dialect known as Doric spoken which is nuffink like
what you see on that web page on the Scots parliament. I don't know
anybody in central Scotland that speaks like that either. Maybe in
Burns time they spoke like that in Ayreshire. Trouble is they have
stereotyped Scots into a 'language'. Well it may be a language (I am
no linguist) but if it is then it is several and not just one.
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There's another possibility: Those several things you think of as
"languages" (on the condition that "Scots is a language") could be dialects
of the Scots language. If Scots is not a language, then those dialects would
instead be dialects of English.
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Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
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The Green Troll
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:02 pm
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Jarmo Puolakanaho <jape@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<chru9q$i8d$1@ousrvr3.oulu.fi>...
| Quote: | In alt.usage.english semiretired@my-deja.com <semiretired@my-deja.com> wrote:
Branch of English or a Separate Language?
A dialect. As far as I know, everyone who speaks Scots understands most
forms of English. I'm not sure if it works the other way around, though.
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Mario Pei claims that Brazilians (speakers of Portuguese) understand
Italian, but it doesn't work the other way around.
Spanish and Italian are supposed to be mutually intelligible. Are they
dialects of Latin, or separate languages?
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