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John Dean
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:19 am
Post subject: Re: British surname customs: "Rhys Jones" |
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Steve Hayes wrote:
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Someone once told me that there is no J in Welsh.
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Several letters found in the English alphabet not found in the Welsh,
according to
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/welsh.htm
And several letters like 'f' and 'l' with two versions. Fair exchange, I
suppose.
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John Dean
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:14 am
Post subject: Re: British surname customs: "Rhys Jones" |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:19:11 +0100, "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | Steve Hayes wrote:
Someone once told me that there is no J in Welsh.
Several letters found in the English alphabet not found in the Welsh,
according to
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/welsh.htm
And several letters like 'f' and 'l' with two versions. Fair exchange, I
suppose.
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So how do the Welsh write Jones?
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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M. J. Powell
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:22 pm
Post subject: Re: British surname customs: "Rhys Jones" |
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In message <rgolu0hm2r2oa4mrn11v1sb5a2e9008lg3@4ax.com>, Django Cat
<nospam@please.com> writes
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:06:35 +0000, "M. J. Powell"
mike@DeLeTe.pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <bm9ju0d95fqqks90vmlms0b03qihoor3hf@4ax.com>, Django Cat
nospam@please.com> writes
On 15 Jan 2005 22:00:56 GMT, Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Alan Jones's posting regarding suffixes in surnames got me to thinking
about this. I gather that "Rhys Jones" is a Welsh surname much as "Aman"
is a Bavarese surname, but it occurs to me that, while "Jones", also
associated with the Welsh, is one of the most common surnames in the US,
"Rhys Jones" looks specifically British (indeed, this is probably true of
"Rhys" by itself (as opposed to "Rice" or "Reese" which I understand to be
Anglicized forms), and other hyphenated or double surnames that begin with
"Rhys", like "Rhys Davies"[1]).
Like Mandy Rice Davies? Davies and variations like Davys and Davis
are also Welsh.
The thing with 'Jones' is that it's such a prevalent name in Wales. I
mean, we're not talking Kim in Korea, but it's getting there. This
led to the frequently quoted and stereotypical notion of naming people
after their professions - Jones the Fruit, Jones the Plumbing, Jones
the Psychotherapy etc, not to mention the well-known Dai Postman and
Dai the Death undertaker.
You forgot the man with only one tooth, in the middle. Dai Central
'Eating.
Oh dear oh lord!
Mike
Powell's another good Welsh name of course...
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DC. Grandad was Captain...
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So was mine.
Family joke:
'May I introduce Captain Powell'?
'Ah! Army or Navy'?
'Fire Brigade, Fire Brigade'!
Mike
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John Dean
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:39 pm
Post subject: Re: British surname customs: "Rhys Jones" |
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Steve Hayes wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:19:11 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
Someone once told me that there is no J in Welsh.
Several letters found in the English alphabet not found in the Welsh,
according to
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/welsh.htm
And several letters like 'f' and 'l' with two versions. Fair
exchange, I suppose.
So how do the Welsh write Jones?
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They use the English (spit) alphabet.
Of course, if they were writing the name that was subsequently
anglicised as Jones they'd write Sion. As in the famous Welsh outlaw
Twm Sion Cati aka Thomas Jones whose watchword was "What's New
Pussycati?"
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John Dean
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