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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Gum peeve [Was: Re: Caribbean] |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:36:17 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrought:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:58:55 -0500, "Maria Conlon"
mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ross Howard wrote:
I heard another excellent MIMIM word on some TV showgramme or
ither
last night: "ex-spearmints".
That's chewed gum, isn't it?
Maria Conlon
Occasional Purchaser of Wrigley's Spearmint
I thought it was a reference to the Doublemint Twins.
FGS, is it now regarded as appropriate for nurses to chew gum on
duty? And, if it is, are they really allowed to do it with their
bloody mouths open?
And in a Barclays Bank branch the other day, one of the suits was
talking to a client at an interview desk, and using his mouth-open
mastication as part of his smile. Barclays are a bit brash, I know;
but if it starts happening at my own bank I'm going to get seriously
connipted. Apparently it was a Providential Mercy that my
bank-manager grandfather didn't live to see banks advertising, so I
can hardly begin to imagine his reaction to outward and visible
chicle.
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It's just another financial bubble, innit.
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Ross Howard |
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:00 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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Sara Lorimer wrote:
| Quote: | Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:00:36 -0800, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com
(Sara
Lorimer) wrote:
Dominica. I don't think of the Caribbean (which, by the way, I say
as
care-eh-BEE-en, not cuh-RIB-ee-en) as being in North America, but
I
suppose it is. I should've chosen a better example.
I also say it that way. How do the locals pronounce it?
care-eh-BEE-en, in my experience.
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I listened to BBC World's "Letter" today. The speaker was Teresa
Mills, a journalist from Trinidad, talking about how the
English-speaking Caribbean nations are trying to change their final
court of appeal from the British Law Lords to a Caribbean Court of
Justice because the Law Lords (or do I mean the Privy Council?) are
getting in the way of the death penalty.
Anyway, she said "Ca-RIB-ee-an".
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Jerry Friedman |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:10 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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On 21 Jan 2005 09:00:31 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
<jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Sara Lorimer wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:00:36 -0800, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com
(Sara
Lorimer) wrote:
Dominica. I don't think of the Caribbean (which, by the way, I say
as
care-eh-BEE-en, not cuh-RIB-ee-en) as being in North America, but
I
suppose it is. I should've chosen a better example.
I also say it that way. How do the locals pronounce it?
care-eh-BEE-en, in my experience.
I listened to BBC World's "Letter" today. The speaker was Teresa
Mills, a journalist from Trinidad, talking about how the
English-speaking Caribbean nations are trying to change their final
court of appeal from the British Law Lords to a Caribbean Court of
Justice because the Law Lords (or do I mean the Privy Council?) are
getting in the way of the death penalty.
Anyway, she said "Ca-RIB-ee-an".
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I've made quite a few dive trips to Caribbean dive destinations. I've
always heard Ca-RIB-ee-an down there. |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:43 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean [WAS: flip-flopper at the ADS] |
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Ross Howard wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrought:
John Dean <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
And no cites for "Caribbean" as a geographical term. (This is OED2
on CD; I'd guess the on-line version has something better).
Since you didn't find much, I can report I didn't find much, either.
There's a page of citations mostly making the connection to the word
"cannibal"
http://employees.oneonta.edu/ramirel/spring00/ids/jan28.html
At the end are some references to "Caribbean," including DeFoe, 1719.
"Caribbees" appears to be the older term, relating to the Antilles
and the people thereon. That sounds nice and pirate-y, doesn't it?
Aaaarrr! Fer sure it do! To the Caribbees, me hearties, where the
pickins be rich they be!
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You're going to get one more warning about the Robert Newton stuff
followed, most likely, by a slap.
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John "like, avast" Dean
Oxford |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:47 am
Post subject: Re: flip-flopper at the ADS |
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dcw wrote:
| Quote: | In article <csph4f$5ik$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
John Dean <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
Anyway, OED (bizarrely IMHO) has "Caribbean" only as an afterthought
to "Carib".
According to Burchfield, it's OED policy to exclude placenames, though
there are some included for no obvious reason. "West Indies" is one.
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They have "Atlantic" and as a definition for "pacific" they have "The
Pacific Ocean". They even have "North Sea" which, apparently, used to be
the Bristol Channel but is now the German Ocean.
More honoured in the breach than the observance then.
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John Dean
Oxford |
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Sara Lorimer
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:51 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On 21 Jan 2005 09:00:31 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to BBC World's "Letter" today. The speaker was Teresa
Mills, a journalist from Trinidad, talking about how the
English-speaking Caribbean nations are trying to change their final
court of appeal from the British Law Lords to a Caribbean Court of
Justice because the Law Lords (or do I mean the Privy Council?) are
getting in the way of the death penalty.
Anyway, she said "Ca-RIB-ee-an".
I've made quite a few dive trips to Caribbean dive destinations. I've
always heard Ca-RIB-ee-an down there.
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I lived Kingston, Jamaica, in the mid-1980's and car-eh-BEE-an was more
popular with the people I knew. I wonder if there are regional
differences, class differences, just who it is who says which and how
long it's been that way.
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SML |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:59 am
Post subject: Re: flip-flopper at the ADS |
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John Dean wrote:
| Quote: | dcw wrote:
In article <csph4f$5ik$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
John Dean <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
Anyway, OED (bizarrely IMHO) has "Caribbean" only as an
afterthought
to "Carib".
According to Burchfield, it's OED policy to exclude placenames,
though there are some included for no obvious reason. "West
Indies"
is one.
They have "Atlantic" and as a definition for "pacific" they have
"The
Pacific Ocean". They even have "North Sea" which, apparently, used
to
be the Bristol Channel but is now the German Ocean.
More honoured in the breach than the observance then.
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Surely you don't believe a thing that Julie Burchfield says?
Mike. |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:02 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:51:45 -0800, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com
(Sara Lorimer) wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
On 21 Jan 2005 09:00:31 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to BBC World's "Letter" today. The speaker was Teresa
Mills, a journalist from Trinidad, talking about how the
English-speaking Caribbean nations are trying to change their final
court of appeal from the British Law Lords to a Caribbean Court of
Justice because the Law Lords (or do I mean the Privy Council?) are
getting in the way of the death penalty.
Anyway, she said "Ca-RIB-ee-an".
I've made quite a few dive trips to Caribbean dive destinations. I've
always heard Ca-RIB-ee-an down there.
I lived Kingston, Jamaica, in the mid-1980's and car-eh-BEE-an was more
popular with the people I knew. I wonder if there are regional
differences, class differences, just who it is who says which and how
long it's been that way.
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I've never been to Jamaica. I've been diving in the Bahamas, Caymans,
the ABCs, and the Virgin Islands. All I can tell you is what I heard.
On dive trips, you don't meet many locals unless you include people
who have moved there to work in the area. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:08 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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Sara Lorimer wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
On 21 Jan 2005 09:00:31 -0800, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to BBC World's "Letter" today. The speaker was Teresa
Mills, a journalist from Trinidad, talking about how the
English-speaking Caribbean nations are trying to change their final
court of appeal from the British Law Lords to a Caribbean Court of
Justice because the Law Lords (or do I mean the Privy Council?) are
getting in the way of the death penalty.
Anyway, she said "Ca-RIB-ee-an".
I've made quite a few dive trips to Caribbean dive destinations. I've
always heard Ca-RIB-ee-an down there.
I lived Kingston, Jamaica, in the mid-1980's and car-eh-BEE-an was more
popular with the people I knew. I wonder if there are regional
differences, class differences, just who it is who says which and how
long it's been that way.
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My general sense is that "CariBEEan" was once more popular and that
"CaRIBbean" has been replacing it. I'd uneducatedly guesstimate that the
change primarily took place during the 1970s (like, duh) and was largely
complete by 1985, by which time Coop had moved to Orlando if I'm not
mistaken.
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Steny '08! |
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:10 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean [WAS: flip-flopper at the ADS] |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:43:19 -0000, "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Ross Howard wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrought:
John Dean <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
And no cites for "Caribbean" as a geographical term. (This is OED2
on CD; I'd guess the on-line version has something better).
Since you didn't find much, I can report I didn't find much, either.
There's a page of citations mostly making the connection to the word
"cannibal"
http://employees.oneonta.edu/ramirel/spring00/ids/jan28.html
At the end are some references to "Caribbean," including DeFoe, 1719.
"Caribbees" appears to be the older term, relating to the Antilles
and the people thereon. That sounds nice and pirate-y, doesn't it?
Aaaarrr! Fer sure it do! To the Caribbees, me hearties, where the
pickins be rich they be!
You're going to get one more warning about the Robert Newton stuff
followed, most likely, by a slap.
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Or Blind Pew giving him the Black Spot.
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wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire
England |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:14 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
Maria Conlon wrote:
Ross Howard wrote:
I heard another excellent MIMIM word on some TV showgramme or ither
last night: "ex-spearmints".
That's chewed gum, isn't it?
Maria Conlon
Occasional Purchaser of Wrigley's Spearmint
I thought it was a reference to the Doublemint Twins.
Careful, Coop, for a mention of twins may stir Maria to rehash the
nappies topic in double time.
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Nah. "Twins" does remind me, though, to mention that my husband is a
twin.[1] His mother always said that taking care of twins was easier
than taking care of just one. I still question that. (She had seven
children, btw. The twins were first [and second].)
People usually wonder, when I say Brian is a twin, if I ever get the two
of them mixed up. Never. I'm sure you all can guess why.
Maria Conlon |
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:15 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:56:06 -0500 Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
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} People usually wonder, when I say Brian is a twin, if I ever get the two
} of them mixed up. Never. I'm sure you all can guess why.
He's the bald one?
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R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@smart.net> |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:15 am
Post subject: Re: Caribbean [WAS: flip-flopper at the ADS] |
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Robin Bignall wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:43:19 -0000, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
Ross Howard wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:21:21 +0100, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
wrought:
John Dean <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
And no cites for "Caribbean" as a geographical term. (This is OED2
on CD; I'd guess the on-line version has something better).
Since you didn't find much, I can report I didn't find much,
either. There's a page of citations mostly making the connection
to the word "cannibal"
http://employees.oneonta.edu/ramirel/spring00/ids/jan28.html
At the end are some references to "Caribbean," including DeFoe,
1719.
"Caribbees" appears to be the older term, relating to the Antilles
and the people thereon. That sounds nice and pirate-y, doesn't it?
Aaaarrr! Fer sure it do! To the Caribbees, me hearties, where the
pickins be rich they be!
You're going to get one more warning about the Robert Newton stuff
followed, most likely, by a slap.
Or Blind Pew giving him the Black Spot.
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I believe "tipping" is technical term for it.
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John Dean
Oxford |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:02:06 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:51:45 -0800, que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com
(Sara Lorimer) wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
I've made quite a few dive trips to Caribbean dive destinations. I've
always heard Ca-RIB-ee-an down there.
I lived Kingston, Jamaica, in the mid-1980's and car-eh-BEE-an was more
popular with the people I knew. I wonder if there are regional
differences, class differences, just who it is who says which and how
long it's been that way.
I've never been to Jamaica. I've been diving in the Bahamas, Caymans,
the ABCs, and the Virgin Islands. All I can tell you is what I heard.
On dive trips, you don't meet many locals unless you include people
who have moved there to work in the area.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do, not as the tourists in Rome do. The |
word is pronounced car-eh-BEE-an, as several people have told you, and
as the natives would have told you had you associated with them.
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John Holmes
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Caribbean |
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<jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106255949.269582.299580@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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This what Areff has not called "The Jeery Phenomenon", in which
MINMINM
speakers, hearing the "Mary" vowel where they expect the "merry"
vowel,
interpret it as the "mere" vowel and thus think I pronounce my name
"Jeery". Cf. "The Geery Phenomenon", which a college classmate of
mine
named Gary could tell you all about.
This is confusing. Doesn't Jerry have the merry vowel, and Gary the |
marry vowel? What's Mary got to do with it?
Or are you Jairy, and your college mate Gairy?
--
Regards
John
for mail: my initials plus those of alt.usage.english
at tpg dot com dot au |
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