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Skitt
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:21 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt typed thusly:
the Omrud wrote:
Matti Lamprhey typed thusly:
I was under the impression that Leftpondians invariably use "named
for" whilst we Rightpondians invariably use "named after". I'm on
record here as praising the kind of distinction you make above.
But, on that basis, John certainly picked the wrong 'un!
I use both. "named for" is more complementary to the original
holder
Oy!
Its a fair cop, gov.
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Oy! Again.
| Quote: | of the name than is "named after", and implies some sort of
continuity or affection.
How can we apply Skitt's law to Skitt if he only posts a single word?
Not much scope there for making a different error.
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I thought I was exempt. No matter. "Only posts"?
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:50 am
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"don groves" <dgroves@domain.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <41e6fb75$0$572$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
Michael J Hardy at mjhardy@mit.edu hath writ:
lightbulb (lightbulb@chartermi.net) wrote:
Perhaps we have an accent issue. To me, Titleist has no way of
containing
"liced." I am confused by the number of people who seem to see
"liced" in
Titleist. Breaking the word down into Tit- and -leist and using a
sitcomish
German accent could result in what would seem to be a lot of extra
work. In
context of the word, I can't see -leist as rhyming with "heist." I do
not,
in fact, even see -leist when it is in Titleist.
Neither do I, but when I isolated it, then rhyming it with "heist"
seems at least not implausible. Nonetheless, finding "leist" within
"titleist" seems grossly unnatural and not easy to do. -- Mike Hardy
Not to the typical American whose brain pauses naturally after
seeing "tit".
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mUs1Ka
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:10 am
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Pat Durkin wrote:
| Quote: | "don groves" <dgroves@domain.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c51d39f3b935c27989ef6@news.individual.net...
In article <41e6fb75$0$572$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
Michael J Hardy at mjhardy@mit.edu hath writ:
lightbulb (lightbulb@chartermi.net) wrote:
Perhaps we have an accent issue. To me, Titleist has no way of
containing "liced." I am confused by the number of people who
seem to see "liced" in Titleist. Breaking the word down into Tit-
and -leist and using a sitcomish German accent could result in
what would seem to be a lot of extra work. In context of the
word, I can't see -leist as rhyming with "heist." I do not, in
fact, even see -leist when it is in Titleist.
Neither do I, but when I isolated it, then rhyming it with "heist"
seems at least not implausible. Nonetheless, finding "leist" within
"titleist" seems grossly unnatural and not easy to do. -- Mike
Hardy
Not to the typical American whose brain pauses naturally after
seeing "tit".
Or even when someone pronounces it a la italiana.
As in his real name. |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:31 am
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don groves filted:
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Not to the typical American whose brain pauses naturally after
seeing "tit".
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Less so with the name than with the thing named....r |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:48 am
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Skitt typed thusly:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Skitt typed thusly:
the Omrud wrote:
Matti Lamprhey typed thusly:
I was under the impression that Leftpondians invariably use "named
for" whilst we Rightpondians invariably use "named after". I'm on
record here as praising the kind of distinction you make above.
But, on that basis, John certainly picked the wrong 'un!
I use both. "named for" is more complementary to the original
holder
Oy!
Its a fair cop, gov.
Oy! Again.
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It is a fair cop again, gov.
| Quote: | of the name than is "named after", and implies some sort of
continuity or affection.
How can we apply Skitt's law to Skitt if he only posts a single word?
Not much scope there for making a different error.
I thought I was exempt. No matter. "Only posts"?
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="... if he posts only a single word". Common UK usage.
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David
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don groves
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:22 am
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In article <cs9h8d018c0@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney at
dadoctah@spamcop.net hath writ:
| Quote: | don groves filted:
Not to the typical American whose brain pauses naturally after
seeing "tit".
Less so with the name than with the thing named....r
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True. Never confuse the map with the territory.
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:10 am
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On 14 Jan 2005 14:31:41 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | don groves filted:
Not to the typical American whose brain pauses naturally after
seeing "tit".
Less so with the name than with the thing named....r
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There's a discussion in rec.arts.books.childrens about Arthur Ransome's books,
which had a character named Matilda and called Titty.
Some people wondered why he would ick such a name for a character. Others
pointed out that there are books with characters with names like Dick and
Willy.
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:11 am
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:51:36 GMT, Bob Cunningham <exw6sxq@earthlink.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:19:39 -0000, "Matti Lamprhey"
matti@official-totally-reversed.com> said:
"John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote...
Titleists are made by a company called Acushnet, which is evidently
named after a river in Massachusetts. http://www.acushnet.com/
Why did you say "named after" instead of "named for"?
Google finds "about 3,600,000" "named for"s and "about
4,560,000" "named after"s.
So far as I know they mean about the same, but I might use
"named after" for persons and "named for" for inanimate
etyma.
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I make a similar distiction, but used "named for" for qualities, which are no
doubt included in inanimate etyma.
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:12 pm
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | There's a discussion in rec.arts.books.childrens about Arthur Ransome's books,
which had a character named Matilda and called Titty.
Some people wondered why he would ick such a name for a character.
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They have little sense of history if they can't imagine that a word
could be harmless in one location and era and embarrassing in another.
| Quote: | ,Others pointed out that there are books with characters with names
like Dick and Willy.
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Usually "Titty" was a nickname for Letitia, but I believe the full name
was never given in the series.
The actual children who inspired the characters are described in books
and on-line. For example:
http://www.humboldt1.com/ar/FAQ/Characters/
http://home.earthlink.net/~bwrightct/chars.html
The actual girl who corresponds to Titty was named Mavis in real life,
but nicknamed Titty.
I thought I have a book around the house about Ransome's life and the
children that inspired those characters, but I guess my mother has it.
I've remembered the title: "Captain Flint's Trunk," by Christina
Hardyment.
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:21 am
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"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41e5f675.242492978@news.saix.net...
| Quote: | On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:04:37 +0000, Django Cat <nospam@please.com> wrote:
There was a tale (could be an urban myth) some years back of a
nicotine substitute introduced to help people give up smoking. The
name, Nocoff, was supposed to be pronounced 'No cough', but the
product was withdrawn when consumers insisted on calling it 'knock
off' (AmE 'desist').
There was a patent remedy advertised on the radio here a few years ago.
GThey
called it "Karl Metz". It was only years later that I discovered that the
name
of the product was actually "Calmettes".
It was pronouncing the "l" that confused me, and I'd never have found the
product if I was actually wanting to buy it.
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And of course we all remember "the AYDS diet plan" commercials, which stayed
on the air for years after people started losing weight for a different
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:44 am
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote...
| Quote: | Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
There's a discussion in rec.arts.books.childrens about Arthur
Ransome's books, which had a character named Matilda and called
Titty.
Some people wondered why he would ick such a name for a character.
They have little sense of history if they can't imagine that a word
could be harmless in one location and era and embarrassing in another.
,Others pointed out that there are books with characters with names
like Dick and Willy.
Usually "Titty" was a nickname for Letitia, but I believe the full
name was never given in the series.
The actual children who inspired the characters are described in books
and on-line. For example:
http://www.humboldt1.com/ar/FAQ/Characters/
http://home.earthlink.net/~bwrightct/chars.html
The actual girl who corresponds to Titty was named Mavis in real life,
but nicknamed Titty.
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Mavis Altounyan. The nickname "Titty" is explained in her obituary:
http://www.arthur-ransome.org/ar/literary/mavisgu.htm
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I thought I have a book around the house about Ransome's life and the
children that inspired those characters, but I guess my mother has
it. I've remembered the title: "Captain Flint's Trunk," by Christina
Hardyment.
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"I thought I had a book around the house..." was what I would have
expected there, and that small variation seems weird despite its
utter logicality.
Matti |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:40 am
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Matti Lamprhey <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote:
Thanks, interesting.
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I thought I have a book around the house about Ransome's life and the
children that inspired those characters, but I guess my mother has
it. I've remembered the title: "Captain Flint's Trunk," by Christina
Hardyment.
"I thought I had a book around the house..." was what I would have
expected there, and that small variation seems weird despite its
utter logicality.
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I'm not particularly attached to it. I revised the sentence, after a
search of the bookcases, from thinking I had the book to realizing I
didn't, so it does sound weird, as you spotted.
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don groves
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:29 am
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In article <1gqfvxg.u1fgbu1tzk9wyN%trio@euronet.nl>, Donna
Richoux at trio@euronet.nl hath writ:
| Quote: | Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
There's a discussion in rec.arts.books.childrens about Arthur Ransome's books,
which had a character named Matilda and called Titty.
Some people wondered why he would ick such a name for a character.
They have little sense of history if they can't imagine that a word
could be harmless in one location and era and embarrassing in another.
,Others pointed out that there are books with characters with names
like Dick and Willy.
Usually "Titty" was a nickname for Letitia, but I believe the full name
was never given in the series.
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The only Letitia I know goes by "Tish".
There's another idiomatic use of "to go" in English. Do any
others use this form? Also another difference between "naming"
and "calling".
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:10 am
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:29:24 -0800, don groves <dgroves@domain.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1gqfvxg.u1fgbu1tzk9wyN%trio@euronet.nl>, Donna
Richoux at trio@euronet.nl hath writ:
Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
There's a discussion in rec.arts.books.childrens about Arthur Ransome's books,
which had a character named Matilda and called Titty.
Some people wondered why he would ick such a name for a character.
They have little sense of history if they can't imagine that a word
could be harmless in one location and era and embarrassing in another.
,Others pointed out that there are books with characters with names
like Dick and Willy.
Usually "Titty" was a nickname for Letitia, but I believe the full name
was never given in the series.
The only Letitia I know goes by "Tish".
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As does the only one I know.
| Quote: | There's another idiomatic use of "to go" in English. Do any
others use this form? Also another difference between "naming"
and "calling".
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I don't know where I got the idea that the one in the books was named Matilda
-- it's a long tme since I read them.
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:52 pm
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Steve Hayes wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:29:24 -0800, don groves <dgroves@domain.net> wrote:
The only Letitia I know goes by "Tish".
As does the only one I know.
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I know two: one goes by "Letty", the other by "Marilyn".
Fran |
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