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Matti Lamprhey
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"John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote...
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Titleists are made by a company called Acushnet, which is evidently
named after a river in Massachusetts. http://www.acushnet.com/
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Why did you say "named after" instead of "named for"?
"She was only a chemist's daughter,
but she was famous for her titrations."
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Bob Cunningham
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:51 pm
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:19:39 -0000, "Matti Lamprhey"
<matti@official-totally-reversed.com> said:
| Quote: | "John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote...
Titleists are made by a company called Acushnet, which is evidently
named after a river in Massachusetts. http://www.acushnet.com/
Why did you say "named after" instead of "named for"?
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Google finds "about 3,600,000" "named for"s and "about
4,560,000" "named after"s.
So far as I know they mean about the same, but I might use
"named after" for persons and "named for" for inanimate
etyma.
I'm named after my father and Salt Lake City is named for
Great Salt Lake.
Google has "about 7750" hits for "titlists" and 5630 for
"titleists". I like "titlist" better because of its
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:05 pm
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"Bob Cunningham" <exw6sxq@earthlink.net> wrote...
| Quote: | "Matti Lamprhey" <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> said:
"John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote...
Titleists are made by a company called Acushnet, which is
evidently named after a river in Massachusetts.
http://www.acushnet.com/
Why did you say "named after" instead of "named for"?
Google finds "about 3,600,000" "named for"s and "about
4,560,000" "named after"s.
So far as I know they mean about the same, but I might use
"named after" for persons and "named for" for inanimate
etyma.
I'm named after my father and Salt Lake City is named for
Great Salt Lake.
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I was under the impression that Leftpondians invariably use "named for"
whilst we Rightpondians invariably use "named after". I'm on record
here as praising the kind of distinction you make above.
But, on that basis, John certainly picked the wrong 'un!
Matti |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:49 pm
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Paul Wolff wrote:
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Michael J Hardy <mjhardy@mit.edu> writes
Michael Hamm (mhamm@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote:
Today, Robt E <yahoo@robt_englund.com> gosled:
I grew up in a German/Scandinavian community. My instructors in
both Latin and Greek used "German" pronunciations for the Latin
and Greek vowels and diphthongs. "Ei" was sounded as in "heist",
"au" as in "haus/house", etc.
Do you mean to say that you pronounce 'house' and 'haus' the same?
Yes, that is standard. Except that "Haus" is spelled with
a capital initial "H" because in German all nouns are capitalized.
"Haus" in German is synonymous with "house" in English and I think
they are exact homophones (except that in THIS n.g. we will
probably read about some geographic areas in which people pronounce
them quite differently.) -- Mike Hardy
I pronounce house in an English sort of way with a wandering vowel
sound, but Haus with an attempt at a single vowel, perhaps further
back in the throat, and the cheeks taut, drawn inwards to the teeth.
The result seems to match what I learned by listening to Black Forest
(Freiburg im Breisgau) German, except when eating asparagus in May
when conversation is a bit more spluttery.
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I pronounce them in very similar ways but I try to von Stroheim 'Haus' a
little, just for appearances' sake.
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John Dean
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:54 pm
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Adrian Bailey wrote:
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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Michael J Hardy wrote:
Adrian Bailey (dadge@hotmail.com) wrote:
And FWIW, I thought it was tit-liced too until very recently.
Is that because you had never really paid attention to the
spelling? MWCD has "titlist" as a "title holder." The Titleist
company probably added the "e" to keep people from saying TIT-list.
Didn't work, did it?
No, but it is hard to distract someone who is determined to see a tit
regardless of the context.
As for spelling, there's nothing there intrinsically to mandate one
pronunciation over the other.
Perhaps we have an accent issue. To me, Titleist has no way of
containing "liced." I am confused by the number of people who seem
to see "liced" in Titleist. Breaking the word down into Tit- and
-leist and using a sitcomish German accent could result in what
would seem to be a lot of extra work. In context of the word, I
can't see -leist as rhyming with "heist." I do not, in fact, even
see -leist when it is in Titleist.
Since I've never seen or heard the (alleged) word "titleist", and
since whenever I've seen the brand-name it's always spelled with a
capital T, it was natural for me to assume that the company was named
after [US: for] the founder of the company, Bert Titleist, whose
great-grandfather's family emigrated to the States from central
Europe around 1880.
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brassiere.
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:04 pm
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Django Cat wrote:
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You hear these things about car companies doing these extensive
searches, then you find yourself parked next to a Daihatsu Charade.
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My brother-in-law used to work for the company that imported Daihatsu
cars in England. My father-in-law bought a Charade, which he sold to me
a couple of years later. Later, I sold it to my father, who drove it
until he stopped driving during his last illness. Nice little car.
It never occurred to me, in all that time, that there was any problem
with the name.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:30 pm
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Matti Lamprhey typed thusly:
| Quote: | "Bob Cunningham" <exw6sxq@earthlink.net> wrote...
"Matti Lamprhey" <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> said:
"John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote...
Titleists are made by a company called Acushnet, which is
evidently named after a river in Massachusetts.
http://www.acushnet.com/
Why did you say "named after" instead of "named for"?
Google finds "about 3,600,000" "named for"s and "about
4,560,000" "named after"s.
So far as I know they mean about the same, but I might use
"named after" for persons and "named for" for inanimate
etyma.
I'm named after my father and Salt Lake City is named for
Great Salt Lake.
I was under the impression that Leftpondians invariably use "named for"
whilst we Rightpondians invariably use "named after". I'm on record
here as praising the kind of distinction you make above.
But, on that basis, John certainly picked the wrong 'un!
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I use both. "named for" is more complementary to the original holder
of the name than is "named after", and implies some sort of
continuity or affection. You could name your child after a horse, or
a street, or a country, but you couldn't name your child "for
Brooklyn". If you name you child for your grandfather, it implies
that you were fond of your grandfather.
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Steve Hayes
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:03:33 GMT, richardbDELETETHIS@amt.canberra.edu.au
(Richard Bollard) wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:53:33 GMT, hayesmstw@hotmail.com (Steve Hayes)
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:29:46 GMT, Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:13:26 +0000, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Wouldn't you say "knock it off" if you meant desist? "Knock off" round
here means stolen.
"Knock off" round here means a copy of something. A dress that looks
like a Versace, but isn't, is a knock-off.
Like all these R'olex'es people are wanting to sell me nowadays.
They aren't even trying to mung "rolex" in my spam, it comes through
unscathed. I would set up a rule to junk anything containing the
string "rolex" but the majority arrive in other mailboxes I look after
and the rules only work on my inbox, dammit.
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Some do, some don't.
For the first week all mine were clear, and then I put "Rolex" in my spam
filter. That took care of most of them, until they started to mung them.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
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Skitt
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Matti Lamprhey typed thusly:
I was under the impression that Leftpondians invariably use "named
for" whilst we Rightpondians invariably use "named after". I'm on
record here as praising the kind of distinction you make above.
But, on that basis, John certainly picked the wrong 'un!
I use both. "named for" is more complementary to the original holder
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Oy!
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continuity or affection.
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Joe Fineman
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R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes:
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(2) Rub hands under warm air
(3) Stops automatically
to
(1) Push butt
(2) Rub hands under arm
(3) Stops a tom ically
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In the Boston subway, similar wags with time on their hands have
reduced
NO PASSING THROUGH
to
NO ASS ROUGH
or even
NO ASS OUCH
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Django Cat
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:04:08 -0500, Frances Kemmish
<fkemmish@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Django Cat wrote:
You hear these things about car companies doing these extensive
searches, then you find yourself parked next to a Daihatsu Charade.
My brother-in-law used to work for the company that imported Daihatsu
cars in England. My father-in-law bought a Charade, which he sold to me
a couple of years later. Later, I sold it to my father, who drove it
until he stopped driving during his last illness. Nice little car.
It never occurred to me, in all that time, that there was any problem
with the name.
Fran
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I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the car itself, I just immediately
thought of the extended meanings of charade as "a readily perceived
pretense; a travesty" "an absurdly false or pointless act or
situation" "an act performed without sincerity, esp. when the pretense
is so obvious as to be ridiculous" "a blatant pretense or deception"
"an act or event that is obviously false, although represented as
true" "a ridiculous pretence; a farce" "parody, lampoon, spoof,
sendup, mockery, takeoff, burlesque, travesty" might not have made me
want to buy one.
DC. All definitions via Onelook. |
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Areff
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Matti Lamprhey typed thusly:
"Bob Cunningham" <exw6sxq@earthlink.net> wrote...
"Matti Lamprhey" <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> said:
"John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote...
Titleists are made by a company called Acushnet, which is
evidently named after a river in Massachusetts.
http://www.acushnet.com/
Why did you say "named after" instead of "named for"?
Google finds "about 3,600,000" "named for"s and "about
4,560,000" "named after"s.
So far as I know they mean about the same, but I might use
"named after" for persons and "named for" for inanimate
etyma.
I'm named after my father and Salt Lake City is named for
Great Salt Lake.
I was under the impression that Leftpondians invariably use "named for"
whilst we Rightpondians invariably use "named after". I'm on record
here as praising the kind of distinction you make above.
But, on that basis, John certainly picked the wrong 'un!
I use both. "named for" is more complementary to the original holder
of the name than is "named after", and implies some sort of
continuity or affection. You could name your child after a horse, or
a street, or a country, but you couldn't name your child "for
Brooklyn". If you name you child for your grandfather, it implies
that you were fond of your grandfather.
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This sounds like my understanding of the AmE usage.
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the Omrud
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Skitt typed thusly:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Matti Lamprhey typed thusly:
I was under the impression that Leftpondians invariably use "named
for" whilst we Rightpondians invariably use "named after". I'm on
record here as praising the kind of distinction you make above.
But, on that basis, John certainly picked the wrong 'un!
I use both. "named for" is more complementary to the original holder
Oy!
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Its a fair cop, gov.
| Quote: | of the name than is "named after", and implies some sort of
continuity or affection.
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How can we apply Skitt's law to Skitt if he only posts a single word?
Not much scope there for making a different error.
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don groves
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In article <FlAFd.2434$Jo2.613@fe06.lga>, lightbulb at
lightbulb@chartermi.net hath writ:
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cs6hds$8vv$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
lightbulb wrote:
"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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lightbulb wrote:
"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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Michael J Hardy wrote:
Adrian Bailey (dadge@hotmail.com) wrote:
And FWIW, I thought it was tit-liced too until very recently.
Is that because you had never really paid attention to the spelling?
MWCD has "titlist" as a "title holder." The Titleist company
probably added the "e" to keep people from saying TIT-list.
Didn't work, did it?
No, but it is hard to distract someone who is determined to see a tit
regardless of the context.
As for spelling, there's nothing there intrinsically to mandate one
pronunciation over the other.
Perhaps we have an accent issue. To me, Titleist has no way of
containing "liced." I am confused by the number of people who seem
to see "liced" in Titleist. Breaking the word down into Tit- and
-leist and using a sitcomish German accent could result in what would
seem to be a lot of extra work. In context of the word, I can't see
-leist as rhyming with "heist." I do not, in fact, even see -leist
when it is in Titleist. That is probably due to my lack of exposure
to any foreign language but Spanish, which has since lost most of its
effect on me.
You don't need to know other languages, but if you know some of the
world's famous names you might be led in the direction of leist <rhymes
with heist. Kleist, frinstance, one of the most celebrated of German
dramatists.
English has taken in words with the 'eist' pronounced 'iced' ending -
like Zeitgeist and poltergeist.
Next week - Titian.
I hesitate...but cannot resist.
Titian: Of or relating to a sixteenth century Italian painter's
brownish-orange breasts
I was more interested in what you might regard as possible and
impossible pronunciations of Titian.
--
John Dean
Oxford
I figured my definition covered both the crude ('tit-ian) and the actual
pronunciation ('ti-shun). I was already familiar with the word titian. The
Italian painter was a bonus I just discovered when double-checking the word.
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I know that guy. Wasn't his first name Mort?
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don groves
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In article <41e6fb75$0$572$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
Michael J Hardy at mjhardy@mit.edu hath writ:
| Quote: | lightbulb (lightbulb@chartermi.net) wrote:
Perhaps we have an accent issue. To me, Titleist has no way of containing
"liced." I am confused by the number of people who seem to see "liced" in
Titleist. Breaking the word down into Tit- and -leist and using a sitcomish
German accent could result in what would seem to be a lot of extra work. In
context of the word, I can't see -leist as rhyming with "heist." I do not,
in fact, even see -leist when it is in Titleist.
Neither do I, but when I isolated it, then rhyming it with "heist"
seems at least not implausible. Nonetheless, finding "leist" within
"titleist" seems grossly unnatural and not easy to do. -- Mike Hardy
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Not to the typical American whose brain pauses naturally after
seeing "tit".
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