"Coach" plural AND possessive
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"Coach" plural AND possessive

 
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Bitruder
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:01 am    Post subject: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm just wondering if this is the proper way to write "coach" (as in
soccer coach) plural and possessive.

coaches'

If it's not, what is?

Also, does "Coaches Zone" make any sense grammatically? I don't think
it does as if you heard that, you would assume that "Coaches" was
possessive. I'd just like some opinions of those in the know Smile.

Thanks
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Bill Bonde
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

Bitruder wrote:
Quote:

Hi,

I'm just wondering if this is the proper way to write "coach" (as in
soccer coach) plural and possessive.

coaches'

If it's not, what is?

The very first thing you need to do right now is relax. This is the sort

of thing that almost no one dies from.



Quote:
Also, does "Coaches Zone" make any sense grammatically? I don't think
it does as if you heard that, you would assume that "Coaches" was
possessive. I'd just like some opinions of those in the know Smile.

People don't like the ' hanging out there so it is often just dropped.

Really, don't worry about it.


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who are actually at grave risk could.
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Bitruder
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

Um... ok?

I posted on an English usage forum thinking I'd find people who were
similarly interested in proper English. Guess not.

Bill Bonde wrote:
Quote:

Bitruder wrote:

Hi,

I'm just wondering if this is the proper way to write "coach" (as in
soccer coach) plural and possessive.

coaches'

If it's not, what is?


The very first thing you need to do right now is relax. This is the sort
of thing that almost no one dies from.




Also, does "Coaches Zone" make any sense grammatically? I don't think
it does as if you heard that, you would assume that "Coaches" was
possessive. I'd just like some opinions of those in the know Smile.


People don't like the ' hanging out there so it is often just dropped.
Really, don't worry about it.

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Tony Cooper
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:42:43 -0500, Bitruder <bitruder@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Hi,

I'm just wondering if this is the proper way to write "coach" (as in
soccer coach) plural and possessive.

Coaches and Coach's.
Quote:
coaches'

If it's not, what is?

Also, does "Coaches Zone" make any sense grammatically? I don't think
it does as if you heard that, you would assume that "Coaches" was
possessive. I'd just like some opinions of those in the know Smile.

Depends. If it's the title of a radio or television program, "Coach's

Zone" would be the zone of one coach, and the "Coaches Zone" would be
the zone of several coaches since the "zone" is not a designated area
where the coaches are restricted to be. If it's a designated area,
then "Coach's Zone" would be correct since there is no requirement for
there to be more than one coach. We give titles to programs more
latitude grammatically.
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Peter Duncanson
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:30:40 -0500, Bitruder <bitruder@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Um... ok?

I posted on an English usage forum thinking I'd find people who were
similarly interested in proper English. Guess not.

Thjere are people here who are interested in "proper English", of which

there are many varieties depending on geography, social context, degree of
formality, etc.


Quote:
Bill Bonde wrote:

Bitruder wrote:

Hi,

I'm just wondering if this is the proper way to write "coach" (as in
soccer coach) plural and possessive.

coaches'

That seems OK.

You asked: "does "Coaches Zone" make any sense grammatically?"

"Coaches Zone" could be seen as a 'proper name'. Such names are invented and
are not necessarily subject to 'rules of grammar'.

However, in this case "Coaches" is a noun being used attributively - i.e.
with adjectival effect.

For a treatment of Possessive vs. Attributive Nouns see the article at
http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/082504.htm

--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.e.u)
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Raymond S. Wise
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

Bitruder wrote:
Quote:
Um... ok?

I posted on an English usage forum thinking I'd find people who were
similarly interested in proper English. Guess not.


We're interested in usage, which includes standard usage. "Proper usage" is
arguably something different. (And in this group we can argue about
terminology quite extensively sometimes.)

You're jumping to a conclusion based upon insufficient evidence. Stick
around. Read more posts. Read and compare the newsgroup alt.usage.english ,
also, and see which forum you prefer.

Note that top-posting--writing your reply at the beginning of the message as
you did--is discouraged in this newsgroup.


Quote:

Bill Bonde wrote:

Bitruder wrote:

Hi,

I'm just wondering if this is the proper way to write "coach" (as in
soccer coach) plural and possessive.

coaches'

If it's not, what is?


The very first thing you need to do right now is relax. This is the
sort of thing that almost no one dies from.




Also, does "Coaches Zone" make any sense grammatically? I don't
think it does as if you heard that, you would assume that "Coaches"
was possessive. I'd just like some opinions of those in the know
Smile.


People don't like the ' hanging out there so it is often just
dropped. Really, don't worry about it.


--
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA

E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
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Bill McCray
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:42:43 -0500, Bitruder <bitruder@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Hi,

I'm just wondering if this is the proper way to write "coach" (as in
soccer coach) plural and possessive.

coaches'

Yes, that's right.

Quote:

If it's not, what is?

Also, does "Coaches Zone" make any sense grammatically? I don't think
it does as if you heard that, you would assume that "Coaches" was
possessive. I'd just like some opinions of those in the know Smile.

Since English allows nouns to modify nouns ("Did you receive the
school board planning committee meeting postponement notice?"),
"Coaches Zone" is acceptable. "Coaches' Zone" is valid, too.

Bill (another one)

Swap first and last parts of username and ISP for address.
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Joanne Marinelli
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: "Coach" plural AND possessive Reply with quote

"Bill McCray" <McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Since English allows nouns to modify nouns ("Did you receive the
school board planning committee meeting postponement notice?"),
"Coaches Zone" is acceptable. "Coaches' Zone" is valid, too.

Bill (another one)

Swap first and last parts of username and ISP for address.

What Bill writes above is more valid than *Coach's* which I find an
otherwise nasty appellation. Another way around the possessive dilemma,
though not entirely satisfactory, at least in AmE, is to insert a proper
name. Coach Larry's Zone, though this shifts you back to singular.

I believe apostrophe reform is much warranted in this language, and that a
native speaker could get by understanding possession quite nicely without
the aforementioned punctuation, better reserved for contractions, but I am
not on the Bartleby statistics committee for what passes as acceptable
usage.

Joanne
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