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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:14 am
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At 08:58:27 on Thu, 16 Dec 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
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But the UK can't, unfortunately, wriggle out of "It'll be Alright on the
Night".
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Molly Mockford
I think I've been too long on my own, but the little green goblin that
lives under the sink says I'm OK - and he's never wrong, so I must be!
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)
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John Hall
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:44 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <gfrgL3+f6dwBFwqb@molly.mockford>,
Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> writes:
| Quote: | At 08:58:27 on Thu, 16 Dec 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote
in <4d1e1bf5f3david@dacha.freeuk.com>:
In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
But the UK can't, unfortunately, wriggle out of "It'll be Alright on
the Night".
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I'm afraid that the battle to retain "all right" as two words has
already been lost. It's not obvious why it should be two words when
"altogether", for example, is not.
Several times over the last year I have seen "upto" written as a single
word, which I find rather alarming.
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John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers" |
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:54 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:14:39 +0000, Molly Mockford
<nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | At 08:58:27 on Thu, 16 Dec 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote in
4d1e1bf5f3david@dacha.freeuk.com>:
In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
But the UK can't, unfortunately, wriggle out of "It'll be Alright on the
Night".
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Here in after I promise to try to avoid the here to fore mentioned
word al be it that I may fail.
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Phil C.
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Enrico C
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:28 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm afraid that the battle to retain "all right" as two words has
already been lost. It's not obvious why it should be two words when
"altogether", for example, is not.
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"Altogether" and "all together" have different meanings, haven't they?
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John Hall
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:48 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <F4019E3E200412162128133040001@news.lillathedog.net>,
Enrico C <use_replyto_address@despammed.com> writes:
| Quote: | John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
I'm afraid that the battle to retain "all right" as two words has
already been lost. It's not obvious why it should be two words when
"altogether", for example, is not.
"Altogether" and "all together" have different meanings, haven't they?
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They do now. But I hypothesise that "altogether" was once two words, and
that back then "all together" could have either its current meaning or
mean "altogether", depending on the context. I may be quite wrong, of
course.
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John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers" |
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einde. ocallaghan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:05 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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John Hall wrote:
| Quote: | In article <gfrgL3+f6dwBFwqb@molly.mockford>,
Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> writes:
At 08:58:27 on Thu, 16 Dec 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote
in <4d1e1bf5f3david@dacha.freeuk.com>:
In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
But the UK can't, unfortunately, wriggle out of "It'll be Alright on
the Night".
I'm afraid that the battle to retain "all right" as two words has
already been lost. It's not obvious why it should be two words when
"altogether", for example, is not.
Several times over the last year I have seen "upto" written as a single
word, which I find rather alarming.
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Is that as in "What are you upto?" or as in "There is room for upto 6
people"? ;-)
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan |
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einde. ocallaghan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:07 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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John Hall wrote:
| Quote: | In article <F4019E3E200412162128133040001@news.lillathedog.net>,
Enrico C <use_replyto_address@despammed.com> writes:
John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
I'm afraid that the battle to retain "all right" as two words has
already been lost. It's not obvious why it should be two words when
"altogether", for example, is not.
"Altogether" and "all together" have different meanings, haven't they?
They do now. But I hypothesise that "altogether" was once two words, and
that back then "all together" could have either its current meaning or
mean "altogether", depending on the context. I may be quite wrong, of
course.
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And what about "in the altogether"? ;-)
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan |
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Enrico C
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:19 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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"einde. ocallaghan" <"einde. ocallaghan"@planet-interkom.de> wrote:
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John Hall wrote:
In article <F4019E3E200412162128133040001@news.lillathedog.net>,
Enrico C <use_replyto_address@despammed.com> writes:
John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
I'm afraid that the battle to retain "all right" as two words has
already been lost. It's not obvious why it should be two words when
"altogether", for example, is not.
"Altogether" and "all together" have different meanings, haven't they?
They do now. But I hypothesise that "altogether" was once two words, and
that back then "all together" could have either its current meaning or
mean "altogether", depending on the context. I may be quite wrong, of
course.
And what about "in the altogether"? 
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That's altogether different
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John Hall
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:31 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <32eba1F3kqup5U1@individual.net>,
einde. ocallaghan <"einde. ocallaghan"@planet-interkom.de> writes:
| Quote: | John Hall wrote:
Several times over the last year I have seen "upto" written as a
single
word, which I find rather alarming.
Is that as in "What are you upto?" or as in "There is room for upto 6
people"?
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The latter, I think, though I can't remember for sure.
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John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers" |
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mUs1Ka
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:23 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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Fred wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the informative and entertaining repiles.
I suspect that no one would have evolved into noone by now if it
hadn't been for the collision of the two 'o's. Maybe if English had
more extensive puntuation/accents available we could have resolved
the issue with an umlaut or somesuch. Or what about nowon - only
joking!
From nowon I'm going to use that; if nowon objects. |
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mUs1Ka
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:23 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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Fred wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the informative and entertaining repiles.
I suspect that no one would have evolved into noone by now if it
hadn't been for the collision of the two 'o's. Maybe if English had
more extensive puntuation/accents available we could have resolved
the issue with an umlaut or somesuch. Or what about nowon - only
joking!
From nowon I'm going to use that; if nowon objects. |
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John Mazor
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:30 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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"John Hall" <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:qern3yKcWewBFwbi@jhall.demon.co.uk...
| Quote: | In article <gfrgL3+f6dwBFwqb@molly.mockford>,
Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> writes:
At 08:58:27 on Thu, 16 Dec 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote
in <4d1e1bf5f3david@dacha.freeuk.com>:
In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
But the UK can't, unfortunately, wriggle out of "It'll be Alright on the
Night".
I'm afraid that the battle to retain "all right" as two words has
already been lost. It's not obvious why it should be two words when
"altogether", for example, is not.
Several times over the last year I have seen "upto" written as a single
word, which I find rather alarming.
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Up to now, I've never seen that usage. But I've given up on arguing against
calling a Web site a website. Too many Gen-X and Gen-Y writers have adopted
it. |
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:29 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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On Thursday, in article
<cpt39l$oao$1@hercules.btinternet.com> Fred@somewhere.abc
"Fred" wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the informative and entertaining repiles.
I suspect that no one would have evolved into noone by now if it hadn't been
for the collision of the two 'o's. Maybe if English had more extensive
puntuation/accents available we could have resolved the issue with an umlaut
or somesuch. Or what about nowon - only joking!
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If you meant "noöne", that would NOT be an umlaut, but a diaeresis.
An umlaut is actually a vowel shift, represented in the languages in
which such shifts occur by a diaeresis. It is acceptable, when
discussing *those languages*, to call the accented letters in, say,
"Türöffner" by name as u-umlaut, o-umlaut, etc., however, it's not
correct thus to refer to the "accented" letter in "coöperate".
(And, of course, that letter isn't actually "accented" at all.)
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi-
national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet
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David
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:10 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <gfrgL3+f6dwBFwqb@molly.mockford>, Molly Mockford
<nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | At 08:58:27 on Thu, 16 Dec 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote
in <4d1e1bf5f3david@dacha.freeuk.com>:
In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two
words, but then, I'm a product of the American education system
and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the
form of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
But the UK can't, unfortunately, wriggle out of "It'll be Alright on
the Night".
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The result of Norden without Muir.
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David
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:19 am
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In article <QLGdnSVGdvds7F_cRVn-jQ@rcn.net>, John Mazor
<mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "John Hall" <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:qern3yKcWewBFwbi@jhall.demon.co.uk...
Several times over the last year I have seen "upto" written as a
single word, which I find rather alarming.
Up to now, I've never seen that usage. But I've given up on arguing
against calling a Web site a website. Too many Gen-X and Gen-Y
writers have adopted it.
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The two haven't grammatical equivalence though, have they? "Website" is
merely the joining of a closely paired adjective-noun, and such has a
long and honourable history in the language: would you really wish to
separate the constituent parts of "churchyard", "hairnet", or
"fishwife"?
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