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Fred
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:16 pm
Post subject: No one |
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Hello
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as in no-one)
on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always written this as two
distinct words and am now wondering if I'm wrong or behind the times.
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the monstrous
carbuncle of noone?
(Actually, I've seen this employed by otherwise very precise writers in
Usenet)
Thanks
Fred
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: No one |
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:30:53 +0000 (UTC), "Fred" <Fred@somewhere.abc>
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| Quote: | Hello
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as in no-one)
on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always written this as two
distinct words and am now wondering if I'm wrong or behind the times.
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the monstrous
carbuncle of noone?
(Actually, I've seen this employed by otherwise very precise writers in
Usenet)
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I've seen Coop stores on the continent but haven't yet noticed them in
Britain.
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David
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com>, Fred
<Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote:
Halloo!
| Quote: | I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as in
no-one) on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always
written this as two distinct words and am now wondering if I'm wrong
or behind the times.
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Anyone care to comment? I'm sure someone will.
| Quote: | Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the
monstrous carbuncle of noone? (Actually, I've seen this employed by
otherwise very precise writers in Usenet)
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Surely, nobody but a hermit could use that seriously.
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:01 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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At 16:30:53 on Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Fred <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote in
<cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com>:
| Quote: | I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as in no-one)
on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always written this as two
distinct words and am now wondering if I'm wrong or behind the times.
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"No-one" is what I was taught to write at school, in the middle of the
last century. I assume that the hyphen is to ensure that it is regarded
as one word, as in nobody, somebody, someone. I always find "no one" a
bit of a jar - I expect to stress it on the "one" rather than on the
"no", as in "No one was found in the box of plastic numbers".
| Quote: | Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the monstrous
carbuncle of noone?
(Actually, I've seen this employed by otherwise very precise writers in
Usenet)
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Horrible, innit?
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Molly Mockford
I think I've been too long on my own, but the little green goblin that
lives under the sink says I'm OK - and he's never wrong, so I must be!
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John Hall
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:38 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
Fred <Fred@somewhere.abc> writes:
| Quote: | I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as in no-one)
on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always written this as two
distinct words and am now wondering if I'm wrong or behind the times.
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I've always hyphenated it. However I see that than Concise Oxford gives
it as two words.
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Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the monstrous
carbuncle of noone?
(Actually, I've seen this employed by otherwise very precise writers in
Usenet)
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So have I. It conjures up ghastly images of Herman's Hermits.
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John Hall
"Sir, I have found you an argument;
but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) |
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Enrico C
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:49 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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"Fred" <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote:
| Quote: | Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the monstrous
carbuncle of noone?
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Noway
;)
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enrico /dot/ c /at\ people \dot\ it |
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einde. ocallaghan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:49 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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John Hall wrote:
| Quote: | In article <cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
Fred <Fred@somewhere.abc> writes:
snip
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the monstrous
carbuncle of noone?
(Actually, I've seen this employed by otherwise very precise writers in
Usenet)
So have I. It conjures up ghastly images of Herman's Hermits.
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LOL! "No milk today, my love has gone away ..."
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan |
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John Hall
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:59 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <qtp0s09d08fismru6j7kq78upgt1j83d73@4ax.com>,
Phil C. <philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> writes:
| Quote: | I've seen Coop stores on the continent but haven't yet noticed them in
Britain.
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In Cambridge, Massachusetts it's the habit to refer to a certain local
store as the "Harvard Coop". I _think_ they're joking when they use that
pronunciation, but I've never been quite sure.
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John Hall
"Sir, I have found you an argument;
but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) |
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John Mazor
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:13 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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"Fred" <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote in message
news:cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com...
| Quote: | Hello
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as in
no-one)
on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always written this as
two
distinct words and am now wondering if I'm wrong or behind the times.
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the monstrous
carbuncle of noone?
(Actually, I've seen this employed by otherwise very precise writers in
Usenet) |
More, um, idiosyncratic British punctuation, as in "Eats, Shoots, and
Leaves"?
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words, but
then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture. |
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David
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:58 am
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
<mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Fred" <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote in message
news:cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Hello
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as
in no-one) on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always
written this as two distinct words and am now wondering if I'm
wrong or behind the times.
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the
monstrous carbuncle of noone? (Actually, I've seen this employed by
otherwise very precise writers in Usenet)
More, um, idiosyncratic British punctuation, as in "Eats, Shoots, and
Leaves"?
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
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So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
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http://www.grough.freeuk.com/j02.htm -- Trees I Have Known |
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einde. ocallaghan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: No one |
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Phil C. wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:58:27 +0000 (GMT), David
david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote:
In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
"Fred" <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote in message
news:cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Hello
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as
in no-one) on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always
written this as two distinct words and am now wondering if I'm
wrong or behind the times.
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the
monstrous carbuncle of noone? (Actually, I've seen this employed by
otherwise very precise writers in Usenet)
More, um, idiosyncratic British punctuation, as in "Eats, Shoots, and
Leaves"?
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
I don't do it my self. But I probably do write "no-one".
I usually get round the problem of whether to write "no one" or "no-one" |
by using "nobody". ;-)
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan |
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David
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:16 pm
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In article <32dp5dF3hrs0jU1@individual.net>, einde. ocallaghan <einde.
ocallaghan@planet-interkom.de> wrote:
| Quote: | Phil C. wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:58:27 +0000 (GMT), David
david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote:
In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
"Fred" <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote in message
news:cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Hello
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as
in no-one) on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've
always written this as two distinct words and am now wondering if
I'm wrong or behind the times.
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the
monstrous carbuncle of noone? (Actually, I've seen this employed
by otherwise very precise writers in Usenet)
More, um, idiosyncratic British punctuation, as in "Eats, Shoots,
and Leaves"?
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two
words, but then, I'm a product of the American education system
and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the
form of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
I don't do it my self. But I probably do write "no-one".
I usually get round the problem of whether to write "no one" or
"no-one" by using "nobody". 
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Nevermind! ;-)
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: No one |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:58:27 +0000 (GMT), David
<david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <BumdnVjX2IIiRF3cRVn-pA@rcn.net>, John Mazor
mazorj@erols.com> wrote:
"Fred" <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote in message
news:cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Hello
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as
in no-one) on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always
written this as two distinct words and am now wondering if I'm
wrong or behind the times.
Are we seeing an evolution which will eventually lead to the
monstrous carbuncle of noone? (Actually, I've seen this employed by
otherwise very precise writers in Usenet)
More, um, idiosyncratic British punctuation, as in "Eats, Shoots, and
Leaves"?
No one I've ever read has used it in any form other than two words,
but then, I'm a product of the American education system and culture.
So are most of the folks I've seen using the term "a lot" in the form
of a single word. No body (sic) I know personally does that.
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I don't do it my self. But I probably do write "no-one".
My idiosyncratic rule of hyphens is that form should follow function.
If a hyphen seems to aid clarity then use one. Otherwise otherwise. I
hope this bizarre idea catches on.
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Charles Lindsey
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: No one |
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In <cWh$pRw2vHwBFwta@molly.mockford> Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> writes:
| Quote: | At 16:30:53 on Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Fred <Fred@somewhere.abc> wrote in
cpport$p5n$1@titan.btinternet.com>:
I've recently noticed the BBC hyphenating the phrase "no one" (as in no-one)
on their web pages and on ceefax (teletext?) I've always written this as two
distinct words and am now wondering if I'm wrong or behind the times.
"No-one" is what I was taught to write at school, in the middle of the
last century. I assume that the hyphen is to ensure that it is regarded
as one word, as in nobody, somebody, someone. I always find "no one" a
bit of a jar - I expect to stress it on the "one" rather than on the
"no", as in "No one was found in the box of plastic numbers".
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The 1926 edition of Fowler apparently tried to fix on "no-one", but the
Gower edition admitted defeat and recommends "no one".
It is agreed that "noone" is wrong, but "everyone", "someone" and "anyone"
are correct, the OED not withstanding.
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Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl
Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K.
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Fred
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:47 am
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Thanks for the informative and entertaining repiles.
I suspect that no one would have evolved into noone by now if it hadn't been
for the collision of the two 'o's. Maybe if English had more extensive
puntuation/accents available we could have resolved the issue with an umlaut
or somesuch. Or what about nowon - only joking!
Fred |
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