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Zed Rafi
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:01 am
Post subject: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
I'm actually writing a patent application for an invention, and the
invention incorporates a number of pieces that interlock similarly to jigsaw
puzzle pieces, i.e. using a female/male joint means. However, the expression
"cut-out" to designate the female joint part complementary to male
lobe-shaped protrusion is not appropriate since the female hollow part is
not cut out in the piece, but is rather formed during injection molding of
the piece.
I've been so far calling it the "female joint part", but am not at all
pleased with this designation...
thank you very much |
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John O'Flaherty
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:01 am
Post subject: Re: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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Zed Rafi wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
I'm actually writing a patent application for an invention, and the
invention incorporates a number of pieces that interlock similarly to jigsaw
puzzle pieces, i.e. using a female/male joint means. However, the expression
"cut-out" to designate the female joint part complementary to male
lobe-shaped protrusion is not appropriate since the female hollow part is
not cut out in the piece, but is rather formed during injection molding of
the piece.
I've been so far calling it the "female joint part", but am not at all
pleased with this designation...
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In woodwork, there is a dovetail joint, which consists of male tenon and
female mortise. Maybe you could abduct the terms.
--
john |
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:01 am
Post subject: Re: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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"Zed Rafi" <zedrafi@poloniese.com> wrote in message
news:ICltd.27483$dC3.571779@news20.bellglobal.com...
| Quote: | Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped
protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
I'm actually writing a patent application for an invention, and the
invention incorporates a number of pieces that interlock similarly to
jigsaw
puzzle pieces, i.e. using a female/male joint means. However, the
expression
"cut-out" to designate the female joint part complementary to male
lobe-shaped protrusion is not appropriate since the female hollow part is
not cut out in the piece, but is rather formed during injection molding of
the piece.
I've been so far calling it the "female joint part", but am not at all
pleased with this designation...
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Forget the "cut-out" problem. Forget the sex parts. Use belly-button
terminology:
"Innies and Outies" (or spell them how you will) should handle the US
market. The fact that they are "interlocking" handles the rest. If you
need something a bit more grown-up, convex and concave might help.
Now my problem with puzzle pieces involves the ones that make 1, 2, 3 or 4
corners (or maybe that is enough, but some have small shoulders and others
have big, acute-angle shoulders. That is harder to describe than the the
ones with one outie and 3 innies. I can call "fat left leg", for example,
and "hunched (or receding) left shoulder".
There used to be a brand of jigsaw puzzles (Tuco), in which the cardboard
was at least 3 times the thickness of the regular interlocking puzzles. One
couldn't even call them interlocking, but I am sure they were cut with a
jigsaw. The pieces were all about the same size, but had wavy edges. Easy
to pick up the pieces and manipulate them, but very difficult to manage
color matches, etc. The worst part was that any little jiggle of the table
moved the pieces so that great effort was required to put the solved part
back into some kind of regular shape.
On the other hand, there was no problem putting the puzzle away--no
decisions about whether to fold the entire thing up, or take sections apart
piece by piece. Still, I think that the Tuco puzzles lost pieces with at
least the same frequency as did the regular interlocking puzzle.
(Just a little reminiscence. I know that other people's memories don't
evoke the feelings of your own.) |
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Jim Lawton
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:01 am
Post subject: Re: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:21:56 -0500, "Zed Rafi" <zedrafi@poloniese.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
I'm actually writing a patent application for an invention, and the
invention incorporates a number of pieces that interlock similarly to jigsaw
puzzle pieces, i.e. using a female/male joint means. However, the expression
"cut-out" to designate the female joint part complementary to male
lobe-shaped protrusion is not appropriate since the female hollow part is
not cut out in the piece, but is rather formed during injection molding of
the piece.
I've been so far calling it the "female joint part", but am not at all
pleased with this designation...
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I have no idea if there are technical terms for these, but you might consider:-
"the male key fits into the female receptical" I wondered too about "socket",
but that has connotations of roundness perhaps...
cheers,
Jim
| Quote: | thank you very much
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:04 am
Post subject: Re: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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In message <22sbr0p7qi6t4rmgjb2ap0klu4ej1hkuel@4ax.com>, Jim Lawton
<ucan@use.your.initiative> writes
| Quote: | On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:21:56 -0500, "Zed Rafi" <zedrafi@poloniese.com> wrote:
Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
I'm actually writing a patent application for an invention, and the
invention incorporates a number of pieces that interlock similarly to jigsaw
puzzle pieces, i.e. using a female/male joint means. However, the expression
"cut-out" to designate the female joint part complementary to male
lobe-shaped protrusion is not appropriate since the female hollow part is
not cut out in the piece, but is rather formed during injection molding of
the piece.
I've been so far calling it the "female joint part", but am not at all
pleased with this designation...
I have no idea if there are technical terms for these, but you might
consider:-
"the male key fits into the female receptical" I wondered too about "socket",
but that has connotations of roundness perhaps...
Why not say that puzzle tiles are formed with protrusions and recesses, |
and that complementary protrusions and recesses engage and at least some
of them interlock when the puzzle is correctly assembled? You may want
to distinguish between interlocking and non-interlocking complementary
portions of adjacent tiles in the completed puzzle. At your own risk,
of course.
--
Paul
In bocca al Lupo! |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:04 am
Post subject: Re: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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Zed Rafi <zedrafi@poloniese.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
I'm actually writing a patent application for an invention, and the
invention incorporates a number of pieces that interlock similarly to jigsaw
puzzle pieces, i.e. using a female/male joint means. However, the expression
"cut-out" to designate the female joint part complementary to male
lobe-shaped protrusion is not appropriate since the female hollow part is
not cut out in the piece, but is rather formed during injection molding of
the piece.
I've been so far calling it the "female joint part", but am not at all
pleased with this designation...
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My family has done jigsaw puzzles for several generations, and we've
always called them "knobs" and "holes." But I know that this
nomenclature is not universal; we always called the pieces on the edge
"border" or "border pieces," but some families call them "edge pieces."
Let's see, I've got a book called "Jigsaw Puzzles: An illustrated
History and Price Guide," Anne D. Williams, 1990... But after leafing
through quite a bit of it, I have to conclude they have no reason to
name any of the parts of a piece. They discuss the fashions, the
changing technology, the distribution, the collectibility of puzzles...
They do mention whether pieces "interlock" as important; both the
fashion and the cutting methods of the earliest puzzles made that rare.
But it is people actually working around a table who need to say things
like "I need a knob with a bit of white at the tip."
Anyway, for patent writing, you must be able to find earlier similar
patents?
--
Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:04 am
Post subject: Re: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:21:56 -0500, "Zed Rafi" <zedrafi@poloniese.com>
wrought:
| Quote: | Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
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Er... Outies and innies? Yangies and yinnies? Plugs and sockets?
Doctors and nurses?
--
Ross Howard |
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Ray Heindl
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:05 am
Post subject: Re: jigsaw puzzle pieces |
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John O'Flaherty <quiasmox@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In woodwork, there is a dovetail joint, which consists of male
tenon and
female mortise. Maybe you could abduct the terms.
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Norm, on _The New Yankee Workshop_, calls the parts of a dovetail
"pins" and "tails". Is that standard terminology, or is it just Norm's
version?
--
Ray Heindl
(remove the Xs to reply to: xvortren-news@yaxhoo.com) |
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Zed Rafi
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:05 am
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pins and tails both refer to protrusions. pins are thin protrusions and
tails are wide protrusions. In a dovetail joint, a tail is fitted between
two pins.
My dictionary give the following def of a dovetail joint : "a joint formed
by one or more tapered projections (tenons) on one piece that interlock with
corresponding notches or recesses (mortises) in another."
I finally decided to call the female and male parts of the joint "mortise"
and "tenon" respectively.
"Ray Heindl" <me@privacy.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:Xns95B89FF7495B6amfmssb@130.133.1.4...
| Quote: | John O'Flaherty <quiasmox@yahoo.com> wrote:
In woodwork, there is a dovetail joint, which consists of male
tenon and
female mortise. Maybe you could abduct the terms.
Norm, on _The New Yankee Workshop_, calls the parts of a dovetail
"pins" and "tails". Is that standard terminology, or is it just Norm's
version?
--
Ray Heindl
(remove the Xs to reply to: xvortren-news@yaxhoo.com) |
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Areff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:05 am
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Zed Rafi <zedrafi@poloniese.com> wrote:
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped protrusions
that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses made in adjacent
pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
I'm actually writing a patent application for an invention, and the
invention incorporates a number of pieces that interlock similarly to jigsaw
puzzle pieces, i.e. using a female/male joint means. However, the expression
"cut-out" to designate the female joint part complementary to male
lobe-shaped protrusion is not appropriate since the female hollow part is
not cut out in the piece, but is rather formed during injection molding of
the piece.
[] |
| Quote: | Anyway, for patent writing, you must be able to find earlier similar
patents?
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Well, hopefully not.
--
Steny '08! |
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:07 am
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In message <rJotd.21804$l%5.912570@news20.bellglobal.com>, Zed Rafi
<zedrafi@poloniese.com> writes
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I finally decided to call the female and male parts of the joint
"mortise" and "tenon" respectively.
But that's just what they aren't, in a conventionally formed puzzle. A |
tenon slides out of a mortice, as well as into it. You can define black
as white if you want, but it tends to get in the way of your reader's
understanding.
--
Paul
In bocca al Lupo! |
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Don A. Gilmore
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:07 am
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"Paul Wolff" <bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In message <rJotd.21804$l%5.912570@news20.bellglobal.com>, Zed Rafi
zedrafi@poloniese.com> writes
I finally decided to call the female and male parts of the joint
"mortise" and "tenon" respectively.
But that's just what they aren't, in a conventionally formed puzzle. A
tenon slides out of a mortice, as well as into it. You can define black
as white if you want, but it tends to get in the way of your reader's
understanding.
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In a mechanical engineering application, that's exactly what I would call
the members of such a joint. The terms "mortise" and "tenon" go beyond
cabinet making.
Both words stem from French, "mortaise" and "tenon" (related to the verb
"tenir": to hold or keep). Interestingly, the noun "mortaise" is a feminine
one and "tenon" is a masculine one.
Don A. Gilmore
Mechanical Engineer
Kansas City |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:15 am
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Ross Howard filted:
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:21:56 -0500, "Zed Rafi" <zedrafi@poloniese.com
wrought:
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and the
complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
Er... Outies and innies? Yangies and yinnies? Plugs and sockets?
Doctors and nurses?
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On those rare occasions when I've been bothered by the jigsaw bug, I've found
myself making a lot of references to "ears" and "shoulders"...maybe it's just
me....r |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:03 am
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Maria Conlon wrote:
| Quote: | Ross Howard wrote:
Zed Rafi wrought:
Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped
protrusions that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses
made in adjacent pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and
the complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
Er... Outies and innies? Yangies and yinnies? Plugs and sockets?
Doctors and nurses?
Pat Durkin offered Innies and Outies, too. I've never used those
terms, but they seem pretty good. Innocent, even.
"Doctors and nurses" will get you nowhere but in trouble, of course.
First, you have to decide which is which. Then you have to justify
your decision. Then you have to explain to one of the groups that you
are absolutely NOT being sexist. And while you're explaining, the
other group will snigger.
Tabs and holes always worked for me. But now that we've started on the
explicit male-female road, there's no going back. Everything will be
either questionable, or embarrassing for kids, or too suggestive, or
will get you called a Dirty Old Man (or Filthy Old Woman).
Jigsaw puzzles used to be such good, plain fun. But I doubt that any
of us could face the puzzle pieces now without thinking about...
well, you know....
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Obviously safer to follow Donna's neutral road where it's OK to announce
"I need a knob with a bit of white at the tip." Unless that's only
allowed if an actress or a bishop is on the team.
--
John 'small child at heart' Dean
Oxford |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:04 am
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Ross Howard wrote:
| Quote: | Zed Rafi wrought:
Hello,
On a jigsaw puzzle piece, there is a number of male lobe-shaped
protrusions that are designed to fit in complentary cut-out recesses
made in adjacent pieces.
Are there dedicated designations for the lobe-shaped protrusion and
the complementary cut-out of a jigsaw puzzle piece???
Er... Outies and innies? Yangies and yinnies? Plugs and sockets?
Doctors and nurses?
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Pat Durkin offered Innies and Outies, too. I've never used those terms,
but they seem pretty good. Innocent, even.
"Doctors and nurses" will get you nowhere but in trouble, of course.
First, you have to decide which is which. Then you have to justify your
decision. Then you have to explain to one of the groups that you are
absolutely NOT being sexist. And while you're explaining, the other
group will snigger.
Tabs and holes always worked for me. But now that we've started on the
explicit male-female road, there's no going back. Everything will be
either questionable, or embarrassing for kids, or too suggestive, or
will get you called a Dirty Old Man (or Filthy Old Woman).
Jigsaw puzzles used to be such good, plain fun. But I doubt that any of
us could face the puzzle pieces now without thinking about... well, you
know....
Maria Conlon
Even if we thought we'd forgotten. |
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