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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:11 am
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Skitt filted:
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It's faulty -- it has "donation", a common word, right there near the
beginning. I didn't look farther.
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It generates things that *look* like words, but is ignorant about actual
words...the list also contains "locater" and "quested"; that's three common
words out of 250, not a bad average....
The ratio of real words to verboids increases when (1) shorter strings are
requested, or (2) the "zipfian" distribution is specified....r |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:11 am
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R H Draney typed thus:
| Quote: | Slachtoffer#36 filted:
Summary: We need a creative productname?
The final approach we've selected is to get a word that doesn't exist
at all, just like Google once did. So we came up with words like
hakkadoo, ippix, dadido and ipsiwipsi. Bit childisch though.
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to the degree
required by its founders) "a very big number"
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Oh no it wasn't.
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David
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:11 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | R H Draney typed thus:
Slachtoffer#36 filted:
Summary: We need a creative productname?
The final approach we've selected is to get a word that doesn't
exist at all, just like Google once did. So we came up with words
like hakkadoo, ippix, dadido and ipsiwipsi. Bit childisch though.
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to
the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
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From their site at
http://www.google.com/corporate/index.html
What's a Google?
"Googol" is the mathematical term for a 1 followed by 100 zeros. The term
was coined by Milton Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician Edward
Kasner, and was popularized in the book, "Mathematics and the Imagination"
by Kasner and James Newman. Google's play on the term reflects the company's
mission to organize the immense amount of information available on the web.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:12 am
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Skitt typed thus:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
R H Draney typed thus:
Slachtoffer#36 filted:
Summary: We need a creative productname?
The final approach we've selected is to get a word that doesn't
exist at all, just like Google once did. So we came up with words
like hakkadoo, ippix, dadido and ipsiwipsi. Bit childisch though.
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to
the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
From their site at
http://www.google.com/corporate/index.html
What's a Google?
"Googol" is the mathematical term for a 1 followed by 100 zeros. The term
was coined by Milton Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician Edward
Kasner, and was popularized in the book, "Mathematics and the Imagination"
by Kasner and James Newman. Google's play on the term reflects the company's
mission to organize the immense amount of information available on the web.
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I'm still not convinced that "google" was "taken from" googol. I
reckon they found an unused but pronounceable word, registered it in
all territories and then happened on an explanation.
However, I was really commenting on the fact that "google" is not
"googol".
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David
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:12 am
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the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | R H Draney typed thus:
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to
the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
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Oh yes it was. (The "existing mathematical term" was "googol".)
Google is a play on the word *googol*, which was coined by Milton
Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner, and was
popularized in the book, "Mathematics and the Imagination" by
Kasner and James Newman. It refers to the number represented by
the numeral 1 followed by 100 zeros. Google's use of the term
reflects the company's mission to organize the immense, seemingly
infinite amount of information available on the web.
http://www.google.com/corporate/history.html
From a Wayback snapshot of the Google site from 11/11/98
10^100 is a googol, but we liked the spelling "Google!" better.
http://tinyurl.com/6l2hw
<URL:http://web.archive.org/web/19981206090729/
google.stanford.edu/about.html>
After they became a company, their site explained it (2/21/99)
10^100 (a gigantic number) is a googol, but we liked the spelling
"Google" better. We picked the name "Google" because our goal is
to make huge quantities of information available to everyone. And
it sounds cool and has only six letters.
For a *really* old version of the Google site (5/2/9 :
http://tinyurl.com/3gbwr
<URL:http://web.archive.org/web/19980502040303/
http://google.stanford.edu/>
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |Never ascribe to malice that which
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |can adequately be explained by
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |stupidity.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:12 am
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Evan Kirshenbaum typed thus:
| Quote: | the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> writes:
R H Draney typed thus:
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to
the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
Oh yes it was. (The "existing mathematical term" was "googol".)
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Quite. Google /= googol.
There seemed to be an assumption that 10^100 is a "google". That's
what I was railing against.
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David
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:00 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt typed thus:
the Omrud wrote:
R H Draney typed thus:
Slachtoffer#36 filted:
Summary: We need a creative productname?
The final approach we've selected is to get a word that doesn't
exist at all, just like Google once did. So we came up with words
like hakkadoo, ippix, dadido and ipsiwipsi. Bit childisch though.
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to
the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
From their site at
http://www.google.com/corporate/index.html
What's a Google?
"Googol" is the mathematical term for a 1 followed by 100 zeros. The
term was coined by Milton Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician
Edward Kasner, and was popularized in the book, "Mathematics and the
Imagination" by Kasner and James Newman. Google's play on the term
reflects the company's mission to organize the immense amount of
information available on the web.
I'm still not convinced that "google" was "taken from" googol. I
reckon they found an unused but pronounceable word, registered it in
all territories and then happened on an explanation.
However, I was really commenting on the fact that "google" is not
"googol".
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Nobody claimed that it was. You reacted to "taken from", not "is".
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:00 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum typed thus:
the Omrud writes:
R H Draney typed thus:
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to
the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
Oh yes it was. (The "existing mathematical term" was "googol".)
Quite. Google /= googol.
There seemed to be an assumption that 10^100 is a "google". That's
what I was railing against.
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Re-reading is in order, an assumption was purely yours -- "taken from" /=
"is".
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:00 am
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the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum typed thus:
the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com> writes:
R H Draney typed thus:
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning
(to the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
Oh yes it was. (The "existing mathematical term" was "googol".)
Quite. Google /= googol.
There seemed to be an assumption that 10^100 is a "google". That's
what I was railing against.
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But RH didn't claim that. They named their system (and later their
company) after a mathematical term. They also changed the spelling of
the term, for whatever reason. But they were explaining the name as
based on "googol" (with that spelling) back when it was just a
research project at Stanford.
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |It does me no injury for my neighbor
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |to say there are twenty gods, or no
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |God.
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kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
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Hagrinas Mivali
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:01 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt typed thus:
the Omrud wrote:
R H Draney typed thus:
Slachtoffer#36 filted:
Summary: We need a creative productname?
The final approach we've selected is to get a word that doesn't
exist at all, just like Google once did. So we came up with words
like hakkadoo, ippix, dadido and ipsiwipsi. Bit childisch though.
"Google" was taken from an existing mathematical term meaning (to
the degree required by its founders) "a very big number"
Oh no it wasn't.
From their site at
http://www.google.com/corporate/index.html
What's a Google?
"Googol" is the mathematical term for a 1 followed by 100 zeros. The
term was coined by Milton Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician
Edward Kasner, and was popularized in the book, "Mathematics and the
Imagination" by Kasner and James Newman. Google's play on the term
reflects the company's mission to organize the immense amount of
information available on the web.
I'm still not convinced that "google" was "taken from" googol. I
reckon they found an unused but pronounceable word, registered it in
all territories and then happened on an explanation.
However, I was really commenting on the fact that "google" is not
"googol".
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Why would you say that? It's a common enough word that anybody in their
line of work would have already known it, the explanation has been around
since Google was in beta testing, and it fits with what the product does:
index very large amounts of data. |
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Hagrinas Mivali
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:02 am
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R H Draney wrote:
| Quote: | Hagrinas Mivali filted:
R H Draney wrote:
...if you want a
word that doesn't exist, it's not difficult to write a program to
generate a lot of them...I did this a few years ago as an exercise
in REXX...
Are you going to post the program for those who are interested?
The REXX source code was eaten by badgers some years ago...I can put
the source of a PL/1 port up at an accessible web location this
evening if you'd like?...
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That would work. I don't have a PL/I compiler, so I'd have to translate it
into something else. Unless it's a very big program, that should not be a
problem. |
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Andy Dingley
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:02 am
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On 6 Dec 2004 12:47:14 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | The REXX source code was eaten by badgers some years ago...I can put the source
of a PL/1 port up at an accessible web location this evening if you'd like?...
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Bloody badgers.
You don't have a version in APL or InterCal do you ? I don't really
use these commonplace languages. |
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Peter Moylan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:04 am
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the Omrud infrared:
| Quote: | Jim Lawton typed thus:
On 6 Dec 2004 08:08:50 -0800, inet.pw@planet.nl (Slachtoffer#36) wrote:
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The final approach we've selected is to get a word that doesn't exist
at all, just like Google once did.
Ha - what word was that then?
Clearly not "Google" :-)
Really? What do you think "google" meant before Google?
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It meant a lot to Barney.
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Peter Moylan peter at ee dot newcastle dot edu dot au
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Andy Dingley
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:08 am
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:56:36 -0000, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
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| Quote: | There seemed to be an assumption that 10^100 is a "google".
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It will be. |
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