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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:02 pm
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Areff <me@privacy.net> writes:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Perhaps, wearing a ski mask and gloves to conceal other characteristics
might be in order? Appearances might be damning. You never know, you know.
In a poifect woild, we'd indeed have such customs. We have to start
somewhere.
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I understand that for orchestra positions it's customary (or at least
common) for the person auditioning to be hidden by a screen (and for
them to not be expected to say anything) so that nothing about the
auditioner's appearance or voice can bias the decision.
One notable exception is, apparently, the Vienna Philharmonic,
described by a one-time chairman as "an orchestra of white men playing
music by white men for white people"
http://www.osborne-conant.org/blind.htm
which conducts two blind auditions and a non-blind one to "[allow] the
physiognomy of the applicant to be evaluated to make sure it matches
the orchestra's ideology that gender and ethnic uniformity give it
aesthetic superiority". According to another former chairman during a
period in which they held purely blind auditions,
I hold it for incorrect that today the applicants play behind a
screen; an arrangement that was brought in after the Second World
War in order to assure objective judgments. I continuously fought
against it, especially after I became Chairman of the
Philharmonic, because I am convinced that to the artist also
belongs the person, that one must not only hear, but also see, in
order to judge him in his entire personality. [...] Even a
grotesque situation that played itself out after my retirement,
was not able to change the situation. An applicant qualified
himself as the best, and as the screen was raised, there stood a
Japanese before the stunned jury. He was, however, not engaged,
because his face did not fit with the 'Pizzicato-Polka' of the New
Year's Concert."
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:01 pm
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In article <30umfgF34m3jaU1@uni-berlin.de>, Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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| Quote: | Again, Coop, if we just give employers free reign to hire or not hire
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"Free reign" or "free rein"?
Pet peeve, sorry. But this is aue?
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:03 pm
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Peter Moylan wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle infrared:
Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
"Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> writes:
[...]
"home" usually refers to some kind of institution such as a
cats'
home, or an old people's home.
Most likely "old folks' home" in the US.
We make a distinction between "home", which commonly refers to
the
place (often the city) you associate yourself with, and "a home",
which is either a care-giving facility, real estate jargon, or
occasionally used of a dwelling situation to say that it feels
comfortable.
So no transatlantic distinction, then. A cousin in Aus claims to
live
in _a_ home, though; but I don't think that's taken over for
everybody there.
One of my cousins is mentally retarded. He lives in a home.
The statement I've just made is standard AusE.
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BrE, too. Last thing I knew it didn't apply to my cousin, though:
she's in a home because she's infected with the estate-agent virus.
Mike. |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:03 pm
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On 30 Nov 2004 12:15:08 GMT, blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote:
| Quote: | In article <30umfgF34m3jaU1@uni-berlin.de>, Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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Again, Coop, if we just give employers free reign to hire or not hire
"Free reign" or "free rein"?
Pet peeve, sorry. But this is aue?
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"Pet peeve"? You keep peeves around as household companions? Why is
a word, spelling, or homophone that you dislike treated as if it is an
animal? Sorry, but I find "pet peeve" to be a sillyism.
The correct word in Areff's statement is "rein". That does not mean
that Areff has made an error. He's not much of a punster, and prefers
eye dialect associations ("pernt" for "point") to puns, but he is
capable of punning around.
He may be contending that employers are kings of all they survey, |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:04 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On 30 Nov 2004 12:15:08 GMT, blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote:
In article <30umfgF34m3jaU1@uni-berlin.de>, Areff
me@privacy.net
wrote:
[ snip ]
Again, Coop, if we just give employers free reign to hire or not
hire
"Free reign" or "free rein"?
Pet peeve, sorry. But this is aue?
"Pet peeve"? You keep peeves around as household companions? Why
is
a word, spelling, or homophone that you dislike treated as if it is
an
animal? Sorry, but I find "pet peeve" to be a sillyism.
The correct word in Areff's statement is "rein". That does not
mean
that Areff has made an error. He's not much of a punster, and
prefers
eye dialect associations ("pernt" for "point") to puns, but he is
capable of punning around.
He may be contending that employers are kings of all they survey,
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And in "free rein" it may be thought that "free" is redundant: "give
rein" will do as well or better. "Then give your horses rein/ Across
the open plain!/ We'll crack our whips like a thunderbolt,/ Nor care
what some folk say!"
I wonder, though, if some might associate "give rein" with "rein in".
A quick MasterTexts -- if I've used it right -- seems to yield no
"free rein", so perhaps it's a relatively recent, post-equitatory,
thing.
Mike. |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:04 pm
Post subject: free rein [WAS: townhome and townhouse] |
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Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | And in "free rein" it may be thought that "free" is redundant: "give
rein" will do as well or better. "Then give your horses rein/ Across
the open plain!/ We'll crack our whips like a thunderbolt,/ Nor care
what some folk say!"
I wonder, though, if some might associate "give rein" with "rein in".
A quick MasterTexts -- if I've used it right --
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I get the same result.
| Quote: | seems to yield no
"free rein", so perhaps it's a relatively recent, post-equitatory,
thing.
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Another collection like that is Literaturepost.com. Googling on this:
<site:www.literaturepost.com "free rein">
turns up five examples.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:04 pm
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:15:49 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | And in "free rein" it may be thought that "free" is redundant: "give
rein" will do as well or better. "Then give your horses rein/ Across
the open plain!/ We'll crack our whips like a thunderbolt,/ Nor care
what some folk say!"
I wonder, though, if some might associate "give rein" with "rein in".
A quick MasterTexts -- if I've used it right -- seems to yield no
"free rein", so perhaps it's a relatively recent, post-equitatory,
thing.
Could be, but to give a horse rein is to loosen the reins so the horse |
gallops freely. Freeing the reins, though, implies to me that the
reins are left completely slack. That would be done when the rider
allows the horse to drink or graze.
Is "completely slack" a redundancy? |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:03 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:15:49 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
And in "free rein" it may be thought that "free" is redundant:
"give
rein" will do as well or better. "Then give your horses rein/
Across
the open plain!/ We'll crack our whips like a thunderbolt,/ Nor
care
what some folk say!"
I wonder, though, if some might associate "give rein" with "rein
in".
A quick MasterTexts -- if I've used it right -- seems to yield no
"free rein", so perhaps it's a relatively recent, post-equitatory,
thing.
Could be, but to give a horse rein is to loosen the reins so the
horse
gallops freely. Freeing the reins, though, implies to me that the
reins are left completely slack. That would be done when the rider
allows the horse to drink or graze.
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Ah, but the way it usually seems to be used suggests letting the
imagination, or whatever it may be, _run_ rather than just _graze_.
No?
And you can't drop the rein altogether, or the stupid animal will get
its feet involved.
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Is "completely slack" a redundancy?
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I think it is if you're loaded for nit; but in real life I don't
really see how we can forbid any instance of "completely x" if for
the same x we'd accept "rather/slightly/a bit/etc x".
Mike. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:03 am
Post subject: Re: free rein [WAS: townhome and townhouse] |
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
And in "free rein" it may be thought that "free" is redundant:
"give
rein" will do as well or better. "Then give your horses rein/
Across
the open plain!/ We'll crack our whips like a thunderbolt,/ Nor
care
what some folk say!"
I wonder, though, if some might associate "give rein" with "rein
in".
A quick MasterTexts -- if I've used it right --
I get the same result.
seems to yield no
"free rein", so perhaps it's a relatively recent, post-equitatory,
thing.
Another collection like that is Literaturepost.com. Googling on
this:
site:www.literaturepost.com "free rein"
turns up five examples.
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And of those, only two are from the authors of the books mentioned
(Anna Sewell and Frances Hodgson Burnett): the others are editorial,
and so presumably quite recent. But Sewell and Burnett are
unquestionably of the horse age; so the most we can say is that the
expression probably doesn't seem to have become widespread till more
recently. Oh well; interesting while it lasted.
Mike. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:05 am
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blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote:
| Quote: | In article <30umfgF34m3jaU1@uni-berlin.de>, Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:
[ snip ]
Again, Coop, if we just give employers free reign to hire or not hire
"Free reign" or "free rein"?
Pet peeve, sorry. But this is aue?
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No need to apologize. Retroactive self-oy! (Why didn't Skitt catch that
one?)
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Areff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:05 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | The correct word in Areff's statement is "rein". That does not mean
that Areff has made an error. He's not much of a punster, and prefers
eye dialect associations ("pernt" for "point") to puns
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That's true, but I don't agree that "pernt" is eye-dialect. I'm sure Ray
Wise will agree.
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Skitt
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:05 am
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Areff wrote:
| Quote: | blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote:
Areff wrote:
Again, Coop, if we just give employers free reign to hire or not
hire
"Free reign" or "free rein"?
Pet peeve, sorry. But this is aue?
No need to apologize. Retroactive self-oy! (Why didn't Skitt catch
that one?)
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There was no pernt to it.
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:04 am
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:03:13 GMT, Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net>
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| Quote: | Could be, but to give a horse rein is to loosen the reins so the horse
gallops freely. Freeing the reins, though, implies to me that the
reins are left completely slack. That would be done when the rider
allows the horse to drink or graze.
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Whereas to give "free reign" is to suspend or abrogate the constitution.
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:47 am
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"Areff" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Jess Askin wrote:
Interestingly, there are some places in the US -- San Francisco? --
where
"flat" is used to mean an apartment that occupies a whole floor.
In New York City English (The Dialect So Nice They Named It NYCE) that's a
"floor-through apartment"[1], but that term is probably only applicable to
a high-rise apartment building, whereas I gather that the San Franciscan
"flat" refers to a floor-through apartment in one of those converted
Victorian houses, no?
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Yes, and they're usually three stories. Typically the owner would occupy one
flat and rent out the other two. Is the term used in other cities as well? |
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:04 pm
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"Areff" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
The correct word in Areff's statement is "rein". That does not mean
that Areff has made an error. He's not much of a punster, and prefers
eye dialect associations ("pernt" for "point") to puns
That's true, but I don't agree that "pernt" is eye-dialect. I'm sure Ray
Wise will agree.
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You are correct, sir.
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