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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:09 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
I gave you a suggestion: Indulging your fantasies is not a crime.
Or, milder, Living your fantasies is not a crime. Or even Fantasy
indulgence is not a crime.
I think I'd avoid the word "indulge." (But I think the OP has already
got his solution.)
American Heritage:
TRANSITIVE VERB:1. To yield to the desires and whims of, especially
to
an excessive degree; humor. 2a. To yield to; gratify: indulge a
craving
for chocolate. b. To allow (oneself) unrestrained gratification:
indulged herself with idle daydreams. See synonyms at pamper. 3.
Roman
Catholic Church To grant an ecclesiastical indulgence or dispensation
to.
INTRANSITIVE VERB:1. To indulge oneself: eyed the desserts but didn't
indulge. 2. To engage or take part, especially freely or avidly:
indulged in outrageous behavior; indulged in all the latest fads.
I don't understand why you suggest avoiding "indulge". It seems to
express what the OP wants to express: that there's nothing wrong with
yielding to desires even if the desires are daydreams.
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You raise a good point. Maybe I was looking at it too negatively.
| Quote: | The only question I would have about the word is the market itself.
This seems to be an ad written in English for the Polish market. I'd
wonder if "indulge" translates to the reader with the same definition
as your transitive verb: 1 and 2. If the common use is 3, then it's
not a good word to use.
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Perhaps some other reader would know about that. (Anyone?)
| Quote: | Do you not see that the person the ad is trying to attract is one that
would yield to a held-back desire? If you are not the type to
regularly do so, but always had a suppressed desire to do so, would
you not consider having a pedicure or a mud bath an indulgence?
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God, no. Well, a pedicure might be okay... I could justify that, I
think. No bright red toenail polish, though.
Maria Conlon
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:04 am
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:05:29 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:44:06 +0000, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:31:44 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:31:33 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 23 Nov 2004, Areff wrote
Tony Cooper wrote:
Can you use this? Of course. Should you use it? I wouldn't in
an ad viewed in the US. "Abusing" has a negative connotation in
the US. It's associated with harming children and women: child
abuse and spouse abuse. (Spouse is either male or female, but
the first association is female)
You mean the first association for "spouse", in general, is
female? I'm not sure I agree. I do agree that "spouse abuse"
makes one first think of abuse of wives by husbands.
I took that to be Tony's meaning.
Interesting: if I see "spouse" in that sort of context, my first
thought is that the writer's chosen it to avoid saying "wife", so she
probably means to draw my attention to the fact that husbands are
included.
It not a writer's thing. "Spousal abuse" is a term used in both law
and psychology. It does include husbands, but the first thought is
off a wife being abused. Legally, we want to include both, but the
mind doesn't work that way.
This is a hot topic in the UK. While I was showering this morning I
caught parts of a BBC Radio 4 "Woman's Hour" programme which goes into
those Crime Survey statistics I mentioned. It can be heard at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/2004_47_wed_01.shtml
"Domestic Violence - still a gender issue?
Is "domestic violence" considered to be synonymous with "spousal
abuse"? I think of domestic violence as being physical attacks by one
or both parties. Spousal abuse includes both physical attacks and
non-physical abuse.
Yes, I think so. The Home Office definition (which I can only find in |
a .pdf file that I cannot clip and paste from) indicates that it
covers all abuse -- physical, sexual, emotional, financial etc.
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wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:04 am
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:38:31 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Django Cat wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:44:06 +0000, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
[...]
The most recent British Crime Survey shows that one in four women
and
one in six men have suffered domestic violence at some point in
their
lives.
As part of Domestic Violence Awareness Week, Woman's Hour looks at
the statistics and asks how helpful it is to think about domestic
violence as either a male or female problem."
I caught that, and the way one of the interviewees wrote off the
other's evidence, and basically claimed it was rubbish and
imagination
was completely sickening. I'm sure the great majority of domestic
violence *is* men abusing women, but that doesn't mean it never
happens the other way. I particularly enjoyed the bit where she
claimed that in 'this day and age' men wouldn't be inhibited about
reporting violent partners; "guess what lads...?"
Yes, I caught some of it, too, and was shocked. It reminded me of the
not-distant days when people refused to believe how much violence
there was against women. I couldn't understand why it had to be a
matter for dispute.
Probably the locker room mentality of the police, Mike. They used to |
classify such things as 'domestics' and show reluctance to get
involved. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that attitude today
if a big bloke walks or crawls into a police station and says he's
been beaten up by his female partner.
The following is a .pdf file, 57KB, that defines 'domestic violence'
and contains several phone numbers, including one for men.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/docs2/domviolsummary.pdf
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wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire
England
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Graeme Thomas
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:04 am
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In article <k5baq0tfdvfoua86lqd4k1pmi67q4dd9ic@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
<docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
| Quote: | Yes, I caught some of it, too, and was shocked. It reminded me of the
not-distant days when people refused to believe how much violence
there was against women. I couldn't understand why it had to be a
matter for dispute.
Probably the locker room mentality of the police, Mike. They used to
classify such things as 'domestics' and show reluctance to get
involved.
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Some years ago I was chatting with a copper, and the subject of
"domestics" cropped up. He said that the reluctance to get involved
was, in part, because often the brawling couple would patch up their
differences as soon as a policeman turned up, and the copper would get
attacked. Even if that didn't happen, the chances of either partner
pressing charges was remote.
Of course, there *were* serious cases, mostly of women being beaten by
men, that would escape unpunished, but the primary cause was a
reluctance to be attacked, with, usually, no benefit to anyone.
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:12 pm
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Any slight republicanism within me died with John Peel, as he was my
only possible candidate for President. Of course, he wouldn't have
accepted the position, but that's exactly what you want in a
president.
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In my ongoing 'listen to something you haven't played for a long time
while avoiding writing dissertation/doing lesson prep', project I dug
out 'Middle Class Revolt' by The Fall this morning. Amongst Mark E
Smith's inspired snarling ("They said 'you'll not see clogs and trams
again'" - oh, yes) there's a whole track with the Blessed Peely waxing
lyrical about Liverpool FC in the background. Inspired stuff.
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