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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:06 am
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:59:51 +0100, Krejzz <ohlo@_WYTNIJ_op.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | hello, first time here :)
"Fancy abusing is not a crime" - is this sentence correct?
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But plain abusing is a crime?
Correct for what?
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:07 am
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:14 +0100, Krejzz <ohlo@_WYTNIJ_op.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | Your subject line asks if the sentence is correct. Advertising copy
does not require complete sentences or even correct sentences.
Advertising copy is intended to capture the eye and the imagination.
Sure. So, can I use "Fan* abusing is not a crime" in ad?
*cy or *tasy - which is better?
In English, "fan" is not an accepted form of "fantasy". In AmE, the |
word is "fantasy".
Can you use this? Of course. Should you use it? I wouldn't in an ad
viewed in the US. "Abusing" has a negative connotation in the US.
It's associated with harming children and women: child abuse and
spouse abuse. (Spouse is either male or female, but the first
association is female) It's also associated with substance - alcohol
or drug - abuse. Something that is abusing is harmful.
| Quote: | Thanks for help. From time to time I do copywriting in polish but I realise
that I'm not competent person to do it in english (and have no time to
check this out somwhere else than usenet  |
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Areff
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:07 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | Can you use this? Of course. Should you use it? I wouldn't in an ad
viewed in the US. "Abusing" has a negative connotation in the US.
It's associated with harming children and women: child abuse and
spouse abuse. (Spouse is either male or female, but the first
association is female)
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You mean the first association for "spouse", in general, is female? I'm
not sure I agree. I do agree that "spouse abuse" makes one first think of
abuse of wives by husbands.
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Steny '08!
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:07 am
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On 23 Nov 2004, Areff wrote
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
Can you use this? Of course. Should you use it? I wouldn't in
an ad viewed in the US. "Abusing" has a negative connotation in
the US. It's associated with harming children and women: child
abuse and spouse abuse. (Spouse is either male or female, but
the first association is female)
You mean the first association for "spouse", in general, is
female? I'm not sure I agree. I do agree that "spouse abuse"
makes one first think of abuse of wives by husbands.
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I took that to be Tony's meaning.
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Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years;
Southern England for the past 22 years.
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:07 am
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Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
| Quote: | On 23 Nov 2004, Areff wrote
Tony Cooper wrote:
Can you use this? Of course. Should you use it? I wouldn't in
an ad viewed in the US. "Abusing" has a negative connotation in
the US. It's associated with harming children and women: child
abuse and spouse abuse. (Spouse is either male or female, but
the first association is female)
You mean the first association for "spouse", in general, is
female? I'm not sure I agree. I do agree that "spouse abuse"
makes one first think of abuse of wives by husbands.
I took that to be Tony's meaning.
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Interesting: if I see "spouse" in that sort of context, my first
thought is that the writer's chosen it to avoid saying "wife", so she
probably means to draw my attention to the fact that husbands are
included.
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Krejzz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:08 am
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| Quote: | YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T PURSUE THIS. (Sorry to shout, but it's very
important.) Understand that in English-speaking countries the word
"abuse" is often heavily biased towards those forms of abuse which
actually _are_ crimes, particularly including sexual or violent abuse
of women or children; and that "fantasy" is often taken to refer to
sexual fantasies.
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Okay. I understand. I HAVE to do this ad (this is the last thing I have to
do tonight). So...
| Quote: | My first impression when I read your original post was, in fact, that
you seemed to be saying "fantasising about abusing somebody isn't a
crime, even if it's a crime to actually _do_ it". I guessed that you
probably didn't mean that, but I needed to be sure.
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....if smb could give me the SAFE example using "...is not a crime" in
sentence?
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It's essential that your text should be written by a competent native
speaker of the language, or you may give a false impression, or even
unintentionally break some laws.
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Sorry, no time for this - can this group be my native speaker tonight and
help to solve "little" problem?
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:08 am
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:59 +0100, Krejzz <ohlo@_WYTNIJ_op.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T PURSUE THIS. (Sorry to shout, but it's very
important.) Understand that in English-speaking countries the word
"abuse" is often heavily biased towards those forms of abuse which
actually _are_ crimes, particularly including sexual or violent abuse
of women or children; and that "fantasy" is often taken to refer to
sexual fantasies.
Okay. I understand. I HAVE to do this ad (this is the last thing I have to
do tonight). So...
My first impression when I read your original post was, in fact, that
you seemed to be saying "fantasising about abusing somebody isn't a
crime, even if it's a crime to actually _do_ it". I guessed that you
probably didn't mean that, but I needed to be sure.
...if smb could give me the SAFE example using "...is not a crime" in
sentence?
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See my reply on MELE.
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:08 am
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Krejzz wrote:
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...if smb could give me the SAFE example using "...is not a crime"
in
sentence?[...]
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Under the circumstances I can only suggest the much weaker
"Imagination is no crime" or "Imagination is not a crime".
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:08 am
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Django Cat wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:59 +0100, Krejzz <ohlo@_WYTNIJ_op.pl
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| Quote: | ...if smb could give me the SAFE example using "...is not a crime"
in
sentence?
See my reply on MELE.
I ferreted, and found it: rather nice, DC. (He said "Live the |
fantasy: it's not a crime.")
Your concern about columbophiles is quite admirable.
Mike. |
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Krejzz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:08 am
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| Quote: | See my reply on MELE.
I ferreted, and found it: rather nice, DC. (He said "Live the
fantasy: it's not a crime.")
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Thanks folks! Any complaints to alt.usage.english! Joking ;)
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:01 am
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On 23 Nov 2004 20:15:28 GMT, Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
Can you use this? Of course. Should you use it? I wouldn't in an ad
viewed in the US. "Abusing" has a negative connotation in the US.
It's associated with harming children and women: child abuse and
spouse abuse. (Spouse is either male or female, but the first
association is female)
You mean the first association for "spouse", in general, is female? I'm
not sure I agree. I do agree that "spouse abuse" makes one first think of
abuse of wives by husbands.
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I think that's because it has had more publicity. I read recently that
in the UK one in four women suffer physical abuse from men in a
relationship. The equivalent figure for men from women is one in six,
but this rarely gets discussed.
'Spouse' itself is a neutral word, according to COD10: either a wife
or a husband.
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wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:02 am
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:59 +0100, Krejzz <ohlo@_WYTNIJ_op.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T PURSUE THIS. (Sorry to shout, but it's very
important.) Understand that in English-speaking countries the word
"abuse" is often heavily biased towards those forms of abuse which
actually _are_ crimes, particularly including sexual or violent abuse
of women or children; and that "fantasy" is often taken to refer to
sexual fantasies.
Okay. I understand. I HAVE to do this ad (this is the last thing I have to
do tonight). So...
My first impression when I read your original post was, in fact, that
you seemed to be saying "fantasising about abusing somebody isn't a
crime, even if it's a crime to actually _do_ it". I guessed that you
probably didn't mean that, but I needed to be sure.
...if smb could give me the SAFE example using "...is not a crime" in
sentence?
It's essential that your text should be written by a competent native
speaker of the language, or you may give a false impression, or even
unintentionally break some laws.
Sorry, no time for this - can this group be my native speaker tonight and
help to solve "little" problem?
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I gave you a suggestion: Indulging your fantasies is not a crime.
Or, milder, Living your fantasies is not a crime. Or even Fantasy
indulgence is not a crime. |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:02 am
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:31:33 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 23 Nov 2004, Areff wrote
Tony Cooper wrote:
Can you use this? Of course. Should you use it? I wouldn't in
an ad viewed in the US. "Abusing" has a negative connotation in
the US. It's associated with harming children and women: child
abuse and spouse abuse. (Spouse is either male or female, but
the first association is female)
You mean the first association for "spouse", in general, is
female? I'm not sure I agree. I do agree that "spouse abuse"
makes one first think of abuse of wives by husbands.
I took that to be Tony's meaning.
Interesting: if I see "spouse" in that sort of context, my first
thought is that the writer's chosen it to avoid saying "wife", so she
probably means to draw my attention to the fact that husbands are
included.
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It not a writer's thing. "Spousal abuse" is a term used in both law
and psychology. It does include husbands, but the first thought is
off a wife being abused. Legally, we want to include both, but the
mind doesn't work that way. |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:03 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
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I gave you a suggestion: Indulging your fantasies is not a crime.
Or, milder, Living your fantasies is not a crime. Or even Fantasy
indulgence is not a crime.
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I think I'd avoid the word "indulge." (But I think the OP has already
got his solution.)
American Heritage:
TRANSITIVE VERB:1. To yield to the desires and whims of, especially to
an excessive degree; humor. 2a. To yield to; gratify: indulge a craving
for chocolate. b. To allow (oneself) unrestrained gratification:
indulged herself with idle daydreams. See synonyms at pamper. 3. Roman
Catholic Church To grant an ecclesiastical indulgence or dispensation
to.
INTRANSITIVE VERB:1. To indulge oneself: eyed the desserts but didn't
indulge. 2. To engage or take part, especially freely or avidly:
indulged in outrageous behavior; indulged in all the latest fads.
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:04 pm
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:21:13 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Django Cat wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:49:59 +0100, Krejzz <ohlo@_WYTNIJ_op.pl
wrote:
[...]
...if smb could give me the SAFE example using "...is not a crime"
in
sentence?
See my reply on MELE.
I ferreted, and found it: rather nice, DC. (He said "Live the
fantasy: it's not a crime.")
Your concern about columbophiles is quite admirable.
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Well, I do worry. Is there a Ferret Fancy BTW?
DC |
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