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Susan Wachob
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:05 pm
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Hi-
I've noticed that two men I know- both highly educated, excellent
grammer and pronunciation, etc etc- both drop the final g when
pronouncing words that end with ing- somethin, anythin, nothin, etc.
They're both from the same region- northern Pennsylvania/southern New York.
Is this a regionalism or just a coincidence? Any thoughts?
Thanks-
Susan
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Alan Jones
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:06 pm
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"Susan Wachob" <susan@swachob.com> wrote in message
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Hi-
I've noticed that two men I know- both highly educated, excellent grammer
and pronunciation, etc etc- both drop the final g when pronouncing words
that end with ing- somethin, anythin, nothin, etc. They're both from the
same region- northern Pennsylvania/southern New York.
Is this a regionalism or just a coincidence? Any thoughts?
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Don't know about the US, but in the UK the dropped final 'g' is
characteristic of an old-fashioned and frightfully upper-class accent. (The
people who use that accent are mostly those whose favourite pastimes are "
huntin', shootin' and fishin' "). Oddly enough, there is another group of
g-droppers at the other end of the class spectrum, whose missing 'g' is
regarded as a mark of bad education and upbringin', though more forgivable
than using 'nk' for 'ng' as in "sumfink" for "something". Then there are the
Midlanders who say the 'g' in its own right and not as just a tweak to the
'n'. Mostly they live in or near Birminggham and go fishingg.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:35 pm
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:05:17 GMT, Susan Wachob <susan@swachob.com>
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Hi-
I've noticed that two men I know- both highly educated, excellent
grammer and pronunciation, etc etc- both drop the final g when
pronouncing words that end with ing- somethin, anythin, nothin, etc.
They're both from the same region- northern Pennsylvania/southern New York.
Is this a regionalism or just a coincidence? Any thoughts?
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Many US sportscasters drop the final g of nearly every word that ends
in "ing". I associate the practice with people at the lower end of
the educational spectrum, not with people from any particular region
of the country.
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Charles Riggs
They are no accented letters in my email address
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Armond Perretta
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:35 pm
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Charles Riggs wrote:
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Many US sportscasters drop the final g of nearly every word that
ends in "ing". I associate the practice with people at the lower
end of the educational spectrum...
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I must have missed this, Charles.
Ring? Sing? Thing? Ding? King? Ling? Ming? Ping? Wing? Swing?
Cling?
Bin Laden, yes, but Bin Crosby?
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Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:35 pm
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Alan Jones wrote:
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"Susan Wachob" <susan@swachob.com> wrote in message
news:Ncgod.375202$wV.202026@attbi_s54...
Hi-
I've noticed that two men I know- both highly educated, excellent grammer
and pronunciation, etc etc- both drop the final g when pronouncing words
that end with ing- somethin, anythin, nothin, etc. They're both from the
same region- northern Pennsylvania/southern New York.
Is this a regionalism or just a coincidence? Any thoughts?
Don't know about the US, but in the UK the dropped final 'g' is
characteristic of an old-fashioned and frightfully upper-class accent. (The
people who use that accent are mostly those whose favourite pastimes are "
huntin', shootin' and fishin' "). Oddly enough, there is another group of
g-droppers at the other end of the class spectrum, whose missing 'g' is
regarded as a mark of bad education and upbringin'
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I believe I've heard Scottish and Irish speakers who use [In] for -ing.
In the US, I've noticed that Bostonians do this routinely (Irish
influence?), while New Yorkers generally don't (apart from a few special
cases).
| Quote: | Then there are the
Midlanders who say the 'g' in its own right and not as just a tweak to the
'n'. Mostly they live in or near Birminggham and go fishingg.
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Some Liverpudlians do that too (= BrE "as well"), like Sir Paul McCartney.
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Steny '08! |
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raymond o'hara
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:00 pm
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"Armond Perretta" <newsgroupreader@REMOVEcomcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
Many US sportscasters drop the final g of nearly every word that
ends in "ing". I associate the practice with people at the lower
end of the educational spectrum...
I must have missed this, Charles.
Ring? Sing? Thing? Ding? King? Ling? Ming? Ping? Wing? Swing?
Cling?
Bin Laden, yes, but Bin Crosby?
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They mean in multi-syllable words like coming ,going ,thinking etc... |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:05 am
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Susan Wachob wrote:
| Quote: | I've noticed that two men I know- both highly educated, excellent
grammer and pronunciation, ...
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Skitt
Questions about grammar are acceptable in this group. Questions
about grammer should be directed to alt.english.usage.
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:05 am
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raymond o'hara wrote:
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"Armond Perretta" <newsgroupreader@REMOVEcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Charles Riggs wrote:
Many US sportscasters drop the final g of nearly every word that
ends in "ing". I associate the practice with people at the lower
end of the educational spectrum...
I must have missed this, Charles.
Ring? Sing? Thing? Ding? King? Ling? Ming? Ping? Wing? Swing?
Cling?
Bin Laden, yes, but Bin Crosby?
They mean in multi-syllable words like coming ,going ,thinking etc...
It's not that they are multi-syllable words, I don't think, rather it's |
the ending 'ing' that is affected. If you made up a word, say
'ka.bling', you wouldn't change the 'ng' sound, would you? You would
though if it were 'kab.ling', right?
Notice all the minimal pairs in the above words that end in 'ing'.
Almost every one of them is another word if the 'ing' is changed to
'ink'. Same is true if they are changed to 'in'. I don't believe that
any word with the ending 'ing' changes its meaning if either sound
change, to 'in' or 'ink', occurs. This is a good answer for why it is so
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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Charles Riggs wrote:
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:05:17 GMT, Susan Wachob <susan@swachob.com
wrote:
Hi-
I've noticed that two men I know- both highly educated, excellent
grammer and pronunciation, etc etc- both drop the final g when
pronouncing words that end with ing- somethin, anythin, nothin, etc.
They're both from the same region- northern Pennsylvania/southern New York.
Is this a regionalism or just a coincidence? Any thoughts?
Many US sportscasters drop the final g of nearly every word that ends
in "ing". I associate the practice with people at the lower end of
the educational spectrum, not with people from any particular region
of the country.
Changes to the 'ing' ending seem to be some of the most widespread in |
English. When someone is speaking English as a second language, however,
I would suggest not changing the 'ing' to 'in' since it gives a low
register tone to speech that the second language speaker might not be
able to authentically pull off. This might be most noticeable in Asians
speaking English as a second language, and might be something that is
taught them as an alternative if they can't make the correct 'ing' first
try. Slavic speakers, of course, are free to devoice final consonants as
in their native languages. |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:04 am
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"Armond Perretta" <newsgroupreader@REMOVEcomcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
Many US sportscasters drop the final g of nearly every word that
ends in "ing". I associate the practice with people at the lower
end of the educational spectrum...
I must have missed this, Charles.
Ring? Sing? Thing? Ding? King? Ling? Ming? Ping? Wing? Swing?
Cling?
Bin Laden, yes, but Bin Crosby?
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Bing there, done that. |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:07 am
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"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"
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Charles Riggs wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:05:17 GMT, Susan Wachob <susan@swachob.com
wrote:
Hi-
I've noticed that two men I know- both highly educated, excellent
grammer and pronunciation, etc etc- both drop the final g when
pronouncing words that end with ing- somethin, anythin, nothin, etc.
They're both from the same region- northern Pennsylvania/southern New
York.
Is this a regionalism or just a coincidence? Any thoughts?
Many US sportscasters drop the final g of nearly every word that ends
in "ing". I associate the practice with people at the lower end of
the educational spectrum, not with people from any particular region
of the country.
Changes to the 'ing' ending seem to be some of the most widespread in
English. When someone is speaking English as a second language, however,
I would suggest not changing the 'ing' to 'in' since it gives a low
register tone to speech that the second language speaker might not be
able to authentically pull off.
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DE781
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:08 am
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Skitt:
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Skitt
Questions about grammar are acceptable in this group. Questions
about grammer should be directed to alt.english.usage.
-- Peter Moylan (11/24/1997)
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OMG....PETER MOYLAN DIED???! When?! How come noone said ANYTHING about
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Will
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:01 pm
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de781@aol.com (DE781) wrote in message news:<20041122184140.07716.00000982@mb-m01.aol.com>...
| Quote: | Skitt:
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Skitt
Questions about grammar are acceptable in this group. Questions
about grammer should be directed to alt.english.usage.
-- Peter Moylan (11/24/1997)
OMG....PETER MOYLAN DIED???! When?! How come noone said ANYTHING about
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What makes you think he died? This is just when he said it.
Will. |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:01 pm
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On 23 Nov 2004 00:45:13 -0800, billrigby@hotmail.com (Will) wrote:
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Skitt:
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Skitt
Questions about grammar are acceptable in this group. Questions
about grammer should be directed to alt.english.usage.
-- Peter Moylan (11/24/1997)
OMG....PETER MOYLAN DIED???! When?! How come noone said ANYTHING about
it???!!!
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Yes, he died some time ago. No-one knows the exact date of his death
since it took some time to notice that a computer program now
simulates his thinking style, generating posts with his name at the
bottom, may he RIP.
The program is only 128 lines long, that being all that is required to
generate negative observations on posts written in AUE by one of the
human members, and to occasionally generate a pessimistic post in
response to some article the hosted computer had scanned the day
before. Soon we may see evidence of programs written to refute these
posts, programs to argue *those* posts, and so on. In time, human
members will no longer be required here, although we can be sure some
diehards will hang on.
| Quote: | What makes you think he died? This is just when he said it.
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So you were led to believe. Amazing, innit, what a 128-line program
can accomplish?
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Charles Riggs
They are no accented letters in my email address |
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Armond Perretta
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:02 pm
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raymond o'hara wrote:
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They mean in multi-syllable words like coming ,going ,thinking
etc...
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I am one of those readin' persons who only know what they're sayin' and not
what they're meanin', old sport.
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Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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