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Arcadian Rises
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:02 am Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Quote:

Me too.

I also apologize for my early OY!
I had no ideya I was talking with a very famos writter whom also attained the
pinnacle of success as a restaurant review critic.
I myslef also write ethnik recipes for cookbooks but I'm not famous, perhaps
one day?

I only hope that Mr. Jay would find in his hearts the kindness to forgive a
kindred soul.

Apologetically yours,

Ms. Rise

P.S. I took this oportunity to invite you all to sample my recepies at my www,
just say the "AUE" keyword and you'll get an instant discount plus free
shipping.

Jim Ward
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:05 am Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Since you're a writer, why don't you write a pasquinade and post it on Pasquino, one of Rome's talking statues? http://www.romeartlover.it/Talking.html

John O'Flaherty
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:06 am Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Arcadian Rises wrote:

Quote:

From: Tony Cooper tony_cooper213@earthlink.net

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:32:27 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com
wrote:

You may wish to correct Adrian Bailey for mis-stating your career
path, and discuss your mother's influence on your writing with Laura
Spira.

Have you always been such a stirrer, Tony? By what age do you think you will
have grown out of it? There's no need to patronise Mr R by telling him what
he already knows.

I humbly apologise to Mr R for perpetrating such a calumny, which was based
on information gleaned from the www. It's a shame it's not true, because it
would've provided him with an excuse.

It didn't occur to me that you wanted to fly under the radar, Adrian.

I hereby offer you an apology that is every bit as sincere, in every
way, as the one you offered Jay.

Me too.

I also apologize for my early OY!
I had no ideya I was talking with a very famos writter whom also attained the
pinnacle of success as a restaurant review critic.
I myslef also write ethnik recipes for cookbooks but I'm not famous, perhaps
one day?

I only hope that Mr. Jay would find in his hearts the kindness to forgive a
kindred soul.

Apologetically yours,

Ms. Rise

P.S. I took this oportunity to invite you all to sample my recepies at my www,
just say the "AUE" keyword and you'll get an instant discount plus free
shipping.

What if I don't want to go anywhere?

--
john

Arcadian Rises
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:06 am Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Quote:

From: John O'Flaherty quiasmox@yahoo.com

Arcadian Rises wrote:

I also apologize for my early OY!
I had no ideya I was talking with a very famos writter whom also attained
the
pinnacle of success as a restaurant review critic.
I myslef also write ethnik recipes for cookbooks but I'm not famous,
perhaps
one day?

Oy my God! I mispellen "myself". I swear, it was a typo.

Quote:

P.S. I took this oportunity to invite you all to sample my recepies at my
www,
just say the "AUE" keyword and you'll get an instant discount plus free
shipping.

What if I don't want to go anywhere?

Then stay home, you couch potatoes.

Stan Brown
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:06 am Post subject: Re: The Apologist

"Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in alt.usage.english:

Quote:

And dismissing my
novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my mother
happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy as it gets.

Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your
indignation run away with you.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"And if you're afraid of butter, which many people are nowa-
days, (long pause) you just put in cream." --Julia Child

Steve Hayes
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:06 am Post subject: Re: The Apologist

On 19 Nov 2004 02:23:18 -0800, jay.rayner@observer.co.uk (Jay Rayner) wrote:

Quote:

The thread started back in August, about the British title of my
novel, The Apologist, has only just been brought to my attention which
appears to mean I can't reply directly to the thread itself. No
matter. I'll do so here in the hope that some of those who contributed
to the original will see it.

I am intrigued if not baffled by the fact that a group of people who
claim to be so intrigued by the English language and its usage that
they hang out in a group like this, should ignore the first rule of
textual analysis: read the bloody text. Every single person who held
forth on my apparent misuse of the word Apologist had done so without
reading the book to which it is the tile. You do at least admit such.
Still the point stands: broad sweeping assertions were made based on
no knowledge whatsoever.

I haven't seen any such broad sweeping asertions, and this is the first time
I've seen your book mentioned here.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

R J Valentine
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:22:18 -0500 Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote: } "Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in alt.usage.english: }>And dismissing my }>novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my mother }>happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy as it gets. } } Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your } indignation run away with you. I'd like to apologize for coming in late, but who's his mother? -- R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@smart.net>

Isabelle Cecchini
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

R J Valentine a écrit :

Quote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:22:18 -0500 Stan Brown
the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

} "Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in alt.usage.english:
}>And dismissing my
}>novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my mother
}>happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy as it gets.
}
} Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your
} indignation run away with you.

I'd like to apologize for coming in late, but who's his mother?

Claire Rayner, novelist and agony aunt.
http://www.twbooks.co.uk/authors/crayner.html
Before the Google days, I suppose that was the kind of titbit of
knowledge which might have been used to trip off foreign spies trying to
pass off as English. That, and the proper pronunciation of the vowel in
"cot" and "caught", of course.

--
Isabelle Cecchini

the Omrud
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Isabelle Cecchini typed thus:

Quote:

R J Valentine a écrit :
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:22:18 -0500 Stan Brown
the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

} "Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in alt.usage.english:
}>And dismissing my
}>novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my mother
}>happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy as it gets.
}
} Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your
} indignation run away with you.

I'd like to apologize for coming in late, but who's his mother?

Claire Rayner, novelist and agony aunt.
http://www.twbooks.co.uk/authors/crayner.html
Before the Google days, I suppose that was the kind of titbit of
knowledge which might have been used to trip off foreign spies trying to
pass off as English. That, and the proper pronunciation of the vowel in
"cot" and "caught", of course.

I know this one - I once saw a wartime film which urged the English
to look out for spies. The German, with his near-flawless RP accent,
was discovered when he mispronounced "Jeavon's Wood" or some such
tricky place name. The two old ladies pulled out a revolver and
arrested him.

--
David
=====
replace the first component of address
with the definite article.

Jay Rayner
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:<MPG.1c088276f65b102f98cd89@news.odyssey.net>...

Quote:

"Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in alt.usage.english:
And dismissing my
novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my mother
happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy as it gets.

Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your
indignation run away with you.

Lots to deal with here, but I will keep it to one shortish response.
Thank you all for commenting. I knew that I risked being picked up on
spelling and grammatical errors by posting in such a forum, but a) I
was cross and b) not being paid. My copy is lovely and clean when
there's a word rate involved.

And yes, of course, I too was guilty of broad assertions. Some people
were indeed supportive. So, and for the record, let me say that my
message was not directed at the smart, pleasant and polite people who
contributed to the original thread, only to the stupid, rude and
ill-mannered ones.

As to the movie suggestion, I'm glad you feel that way. Happily it's
already in development so it may yet happen.

And of course I was posting as a means to promote my book; my whole
life is devoted to nothing else.

Best wishes

Jay

CyberCypher
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Jay Rayner wrote on 20 Nov 2004:

Quote:

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1c088276f65b102f98cd89@news.odyssey.net>...
"Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in
alt.usage.english:
And dismissing my
novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my
mother happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy
as it gets.

Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your
indignation run away with you.

Lots to deal with here, but I will keep it to one shortish
response. Thank you all for commenting. I knew that I risked being
picked up on spelling and grammatical errors by posting in such a
forum, but a) I was cross and b) not being paid. My copy is lovely
and clean when there's a word rate involved.

And yes, of course, I too was guilty of broad assertions. Some
people were indeed supportive. So, and for the record, let me say
that my message was not directed at the smart, pleasant and polite
people who contributed to the original thread, only to the stupid,
rude and ill-mannered ones.

You are too clever by half, Mr Rayner.

Quote:

As to the movie suggestion, I'm glad you feel that way. Happily
it's already in development so it may yet happen.

And of course I was posting as a means to promote my book; my
whole life is devoted to nothing else.

Best wishes

Jay

--
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
For email, replace numbers with English alphabet.

Tony Cooper
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

On 20 Nov 2004 06:18:00 -0800, jay.rayner@observer.co.uk (Jay Rayner)
wrote:

Quote:

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:<MPG.1c088276f65b102f98cd89@news.odyssey.net>...
"Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in alt.usage.english:
And dismissing my
novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my mother
happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy as it gets.

Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your
indignation run away with you.

Lots to deal with here, but I will keep it to one shortish response.
Thank you all for commenting. I knew that I risked being picked up on
spelling and grammatical errors by posting in such a forum, but a) I
was cross and b) not being paid. My copy is lovely and clean when
there's a word rate involved.

And yes, of course, I too was guilty of broad assertions. Some people
were indeed supportive. So, and for the record, let me say that my
message was not directed at the smart, pleasant and polite people who
contributed to the original thread, only to the stupid, rude and
ill-mannered ones.

As to the movie suggestion, I'm glad you feel that way. Happily it's
already in development so it may yet happen.

And of course I was posting as a means to promote my book; my whole
life is devoted to nothing else.

At least he isn't apologizing for posting with commercial intent.

This may be a new marketing technique for authors. To supplement the
book signing and talk radio appearances, the author finds someone to
post erroneous biographical information about the author and critical
interpretations of the work. Then, the author writes impassioned
responses with links to his website and references to the book and its
availability in your local bookstore.

I note that Rey Aman is occasionally cross with me, so I would be
willing to write some posts critical of "Maledicta" and the
publisher's Middle Eastern roots. Rey could then reply with
corrections and comments with links to his website, ordering
information, and availability of the new publication.

I'm sure Rey could do so without using a redundancy of adjectives with
synonymous meaning.

Say the word, Rey, and I'm on your team. We'll gloat together as
sales go up.

Donna Richoux
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

On 19 Nov 2004 02:23:18 -0800, jay.rayner@observer.co.uk (Jay Rayner) wrote:

The thread started back in August, about the British title of my
novel, The Apologist, has only just been brought to my attention which
appears to mean I can't reply directly to the thread itself. No
matter. I'll do so here in the hope that some of those who contributed
to the original will see it.

I am intrigued if not baffled by the fact that a group of people who
claim to be so intrigued by the English language and its usage that
they hang out in a group like this, should ignore the first rule of
textual analysis: read the bloody text. Every single person who held
forth on my apparent misuse of the word Apologist had done so without
reading the book to which it is the tile. You do at least admit such.
Still the point stands: broad sweeping assertions were made based on
no knowledge whatsoever.

I haven't seen any such broad sweeping asertions, and this is the first time
I've seen your book mentioned here.

I looked in the archives. It starts here:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=cet5gh$k8h$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk

John Dean raised a question based on the guy's website, there were about
six comments (including, I must add, one from your good self), and then
the discussion moved on to whether CyberCypher had meant to be funny
when he said something or other. I stopped reading, but my impression
that no more was said about "The Apologist."

--
Best -- Donna Richoux

John O'Flaherty
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

Isabelle Cecchini wrote:

Quote:

R J Valentine a écrit :

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:22:18 -0500 Stan Brown
the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

} "Jay Rayner" <jay.rayner@observer.co.uk> wrote in alt.usage.english:
}>And dismissing my
}>novel as rubbish without having read it, because of whom my mother
}>happens to be, as one contributor did, is about as lazy as it gets.
}
} Dude, that's "who my mother happens to be". You've let your
} indignation run away with you.

I'd like to apologize for coming in late, but who's his mother?

Claire Rayner, novelist and agony aunt.
http://www.twbooks.co.uk/authors/crayner.html
Before the Google days, I suppose that was the kind of titbit of
knowledge which might have been used to trip off foreign spies trying to
pass off as English. That, and the proper pronunciation of the vowel in
"cot" and "caught", of course.

At the risk of being cot as a spy, I must ask "what's an 'agony aunt'"?

--
john

Tony Cooper
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Apologist

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:24:53 -0600, John O'Flaherty
<quiasmox@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

At the risk of being cot as a spy, I must ask "what's an 'agony aunt'"?

Ann Landers and the ilk.

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