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Qp10qp
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:13 am
Post subject: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean in the context of
the following comments on the "Rate My Professor" website? (I like it and
wonder if it will be useful for bandying about over the meal table.)
"Very particular about usage. Excellent at explaining concepts. Very neurotic
and tends to chew tobacco and spit in a cup while lecturing. If you are a
female, do NOT fall under his spell . . ..he's a heartbreaker."
"I took this class because of Prof.[David Foster] Wallace's reputation as an
author. What a mistake! This guy just likes to hear himself talk, and he won't
shut up. He knows how to play the part of a enigmatic "genius" all right, but
most of my classmates were [tails off]."
"Yeah, it really sucks having the best writer of his generation teaching us
writing. And yeah, it sucks having him talk all class. Why can't he just be
quiet so we can sleep. i.e.: he's a super, idiosyncratic prof. A great
opportunity for exposure to a fascinating mind. Get some stones, dorktoasts."
Peasemarch.
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:00 am
Post subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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Qp10qp wrote:
| Quote: | What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean in the context of
the following comments on the "Rate My Professor" website?
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It is similar to an ad run for Gay Republicans in the last election:
"Be a Republican. Be a man. Get your balls out of your purse." |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:33 am
Post subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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"Qp10qp" <qp10qp@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041117121300.06002.00000441@mb-m21.aol.com...
| Quote: | What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean in the context
of
the following comments on the "Rate My Professor" website? (I like it and
wonder if it will be useful for bandying about over the meal table.)
"Very particular about usage. Excellent at explaining concepts. Very
neurotic
and tends to chew tobacco and spit in a cup while lecturing. If you are a
female, do NOT fall under his spell . . ..he's a heartbreaker."
"I took this class because of Prof.[David Foster] Wallace's reputation as
an
author. What a mistake! This guy just likes to hear himself talk, and he
won't
shut up. He knows how to play the part of a enigmatic "genius" all right,
but
most of my classmates were [tails off]."
"Yeah, it really sucks having the best writer of his generation teaching
us
writing. And yeah, it sucks having him talk all class. Why can't he just
be
quiet so we can sleep. i.e.: he's a super, idiosyncratic prof. A great
opportunity for exposure to a fascinating mind. Get some stones,
dorktoasts." |
Here's [part of] a sentence from Wallace's "Westward the Course of Empire
Takes Its Way":
As mentioned before -- and if this were a piece of metafiction, which it's
NOT, the exact number of typeset lines between this reference and the
prenominate referent would very probably be mentioned, which would be a
princely pain in the ass, not to mention cocky, since it would assume that a
straightforward and anti-embellished account of a slow and hot and
sleep-deprived and basically clotted and frustrating day in the lives of
three kids, none of whom are all that sympathetic, could actually get
published, which these days good luck, but in metafiction it would, nay
_needs_ be mentioned, a required postmodern convention aimed at drawing the
poor old reader's emotional attention to the fact that the narrative bought
and paid for and now under time-consuming scrutiny is _not_ in fact a
barely-there window onto a different and truly diverting world, but rather
in fact an "artifact," an object, a plain old this-wordly thing, composed of
emulsified wood pulp and horizontal chorus-lines of dye, and _conventions_,
and is thus in a "deep" sense just an opaque forgery of a transfiguring
window, not a real window, a gag, and thus in a deep (but _intentional_, no)
sense artificial, which is to say fabricated, false, a fiction, a
pretender-to-status, a straw-haired King of Spain -- this self-conscious
explicitness and deconstructed disclosure supposedly making said metafiction
"realer" than a piece of pre-postmodern "Realism" that depends on certain
antiquated techniques to create an "illusion" of a windowed access to a
"reality" isomorphic with ours but possessed of and yielding up higher
truths to which all authentically human persons stand in the relation of
applicand -- all of which the Resurrection of Realism, the pained product of
inglorious minimalist labor in countless obscure graduate writing workshops
across the U.S. of A., and called by Field Marchal Lish (who ought to know)
the _New_ Realism, promises to show to be utter baloney, this metafictional
shit...
His own later comment on this work was "The stuff's a permanent migraine."
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:33 am
Post subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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Qp10qp wrote:
| Quote: | What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean in the
context of
the following comments on the "Rate My Professor" website? (I like it
and
wonder if it will be useful for bandying about over the meal table.)
.... |
| Quote: | "Yeah, it really sucks having the best writer of his generation
teaching us
writing. And yeah, it sucks having him talk all class. Why can't he
just be
quiet so we can sleep. i.e.: he's a super, idiosyncratic prof. A
great
opportunity for exposure to a fascinating mind. Get some stones,
dorktoasts." |
"Become manlier, contemptible persons."
I've never heard "dorktoast" before. Maybe for some students at this
college, "toast" is an all-purpose suffix, or an all-purpose suffix to
insults the way "wad" was in my day. I'm just speculating.
If you bandy "tosser" about the meal table, I think "dorktoast" will
suit you fine.
--
Jerry Friedman |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:33 am
Post subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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"Martin Ambuhl" <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Qp10qp wrote:
What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean in the
context of
the following comments on the "Rate My Professor" website?
It is similar to an ad run for Gay Republicans in the last election:
"Be a Republican. Be a man. Get your balls out of your purse."
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Does that come from an actual ad or just a documentary on Trio? |
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Qp10qp
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:33 am
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts.
From: "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
Qp10qp wrote:
What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean?
"Become manlier, contemptible persons."
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Thanks to you and others for this explanation. I had no idea that "stones" were
balls (I don't think we have that expression on this side of the drink, though
perhaps I'm sheltered). Not really appropriate for the meal table, I fear.
| Quote: | I've never heard "dorktoast" before. Maybe for some students at this
college, "toast" is an all-purpose suffix, or an all-purpose suffix to
insults the way "wad" was in my day.
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Given the evident meaning, I wonder if it derives from "milquetoast"?
Peasemarch. |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:33 am
Post subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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Jess Askin wrote:
| Quote: | "Martin Ambuhl" <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:301hu6F2qch1sU1@uni-berlin.de...
Qp10qp wrote:
What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean in the
context of
the following comments on the "Rate My Professor" website?
It is similar to an ad run for Gay Republicans in the last election:
"Be a Republican. Be a man. Get your balls out of your purse."
Does that come from an actual ad or just a documentary on Trio?
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I have no idea what "Trio" is. Maurice Bonamigo produced an ad to
encourage gay Republicans to split from the national Log Cabin
Republicans, who were not supporting Bush. Included in the ad are these
words, spoken br Bonamigo:
“I get very offended by this organization when they’re saying, ‘well I’m
not going to support Bush, I’m not giving any more money, he betrayed
us’. Oh, for crying out loud! Get over yourselves. Be a Republican. Be a
man. Get your balls out of your purse and start wearing them like a man”. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
Post subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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Qp10qp wrote:
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| Quote: | Thanks to you and others for this explanation. I had no idea that
"stones" were balls (I don't think we have that expression on this
side of the drink, though perhaps I'm sheltered). [...]
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And of what, then, O sheltered one, do you imagine "goolies" to be a
translation? (This is an oops: see below.) "Stones" are ordinary in
the usage of both peasants and those concerned with horses. I myself
am not entirely innocent of the expression "get one's rocks off".
Curiously, "goolie" also just means simply "pebble" in Aus...looks in
dictionary...good Heavens! I was wrong after all. Being Strine, I
thought that was what it meant in Hindi; but it turns out to mean
"ball or bullet" in that language. Scrub my earlier question, please.
Is this the moment, do you think, to remind our readers about
gruesome "goolie chits"?
Mike. |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
Post subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts. |
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Qp10qp <qp10qp@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts.
From: "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
Qp10qp wrote:
What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean?
"Become manlier, contemptible persons."
Thanks to you and others for this explanation. I had no idea that "stones"
were balls (I don't think we have that expression on this side of the
drink, though perhaps I'm sheltered). Not really appropriate for the meal
table, I fear.
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I don't think they *are*. I think it's from the well-known:
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast
a stone at her.
The (dorktoast) people were criticizing the professor, and the writer of
the comment is saying, don't criticize unless you're as accomplished.
Yes, I will acknowledge that Cassell's includes "testicle(s); courage"
among various other slang meanings of "stone." But I don't think that is
applicable here. Telling people to get some courage when you are
actually jumping on them for being unduly negative is not even sensible.
Telling them to get balls would mean to speak up *more*, not to hush up.
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I've never heard "dorktoast" before. Maybe for some students at this
college, "toast" is an all-purpose suffix, or an all-purpose suffix to
insults the way "wad" was in my day.
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"Toast" has been a popular silly word for the last ten years or so. I
don't know if it ever had any particular meaning besides the one of
"finished, history"; mostly, it just sounds innocent and amusing in all
combinations. Are there any darker shades of "toast" that anyone is
aware of?
| Quote: | Given the evident meaning, I wonder if it derives from "milquetoast"?
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I think that one is too long forgotten. I vaguely assume it comes from
the uselessness of a piece of burned toast.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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"Martin Ambuhl" <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:301rtsF2ri4kvU1@uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | Jess Askin wrote:
"Martin Ambuhl" <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:301hu6F2qch1sU1@uni-berlin.de...
Qp10qp wrote:
What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean in the
context of
the following comments on the "Rate My Professor" website?
It is similar to an ad run for Gay Republicans in the last election:
"Be a Republican. Be a man. Get your balls out of your purse."
Does that come from an actual ad or just a documentary on Trio?
I have no idea what "Trio" is. Maurice Bonamigo produced an ad to
encourage gay Republicans to split from the national Log Cabin
Republicans, who were not supporting Bush. Included in the ad are these
words, spoken br Bonamigo:
“I get very offended by this organization when they’re saying, ‘well I’m
not going to support Bush, I’m not giving any more money, he betrayed
us’. Oh, for crying out loud! Get over yourselves. Be a Republican. Be a
man. Get your balls out of your purse and start wearing them like a man”.
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Googling "get your balls out of your purse," I didn't see any references to
an ad, but numerous references to the Trio documentary, so I'm guessing that
was the source of the clip used in the ad. |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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"Qp10qp" <qp10qp@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts.
From: "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
Qp10qp wrote:
What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean?
"Become manlier, contemptible persons."
Thanks to you and others for this explanation. I had no idea that "stones"
were
balls (I don't think we have that expression on this side of the drink,
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But you used to -- Pepys mentions problems with his stones, for example. It
wasn't a common usage in AmE until fairly recently, to the best of my
recollection. |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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Mike Lyle typed thus:
| Quote: | Qp10qp wrote:
[...]
Thanks to you and others for this explanation. I had no idea that
"stones" were balls (I don't think we have that expression on this
side of the drink, though perhaps I'm sheltered). [...]
And of what, then, O sheltered one, do you imagine "goolies" to be a
translation? (This is an oops: see below.) "Stones" are ordinary in
the usage of both peasants and those concerned with horses. I myself
am not entirely innocent of the expression "get one's rocks off".
Curiously, "goolie" also just means simply "pebble" in Aus...looks in
dictionary...good Heavens! I was wrong after all. Being Strine, I
thought that was what it meant in Hindi; but it turns out to mean
"ball or bullet" in that language. Scrub my earlier question, please.
Is this the moment, do you think, to remind our readers about
gruesome "goolie chits"?
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A Goolie is a person from Goole, as are some of Wife's relatives.
--
David
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replace the first component of address
with the definite article. |
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Whingeing Ninja
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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On 18/11/04 9:08 AM, in article cngi4c$69b$1@news.netins.net, "Jess Askin"
<nospam@dontbother.net> wrote:
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"Qp10qp" <qp10qp@aol.com> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: Get some stones, dorktoasts.
From: "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
Qp10qp wrote:
What does the expression "Get some stones, dorktoasts" mean?
"Become manlier, contemptible persons."
Thanks to you and others for this explanation. I had no idea that "stones"
were
balls (I don't think we have that expression on this side of the drink,
But you used to -- Pepys mentions problems with his stones, for example. It
wasn't a common usage in AmE until fairly recently, to the best of my
recollection.
IIRC The first time I heard it was around 16 years ago in a US television |
program (Hill St Blues?) when a female officer chided a male colleague for
not having the stones to do the job. At the time I thought it was might have
been used because they were trying to avoid saying "balls" in primetime.
wn |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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| Quote: | Does that come from an actual ad or just a documentary on Trio?
I have no idea what "Trio" is.
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Other than Donna Richoux's login name, that is...
--
Mark Brader | "This is just the result of someone sitting down before
Toronto | a computer and carefully removing his head first.
msb@vex.net | It's a phenomenon which is becoming more and more common."
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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Jerry Friedman translates:
| Quote: | "Become manlier, contemptible persons."
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So becoming contemptible is associated with becoming manly? 
--
Mark Brader "Men are animals."
Toronto "What are women? Plants, birds, fish?"
msb@vex.net -- Spider Robinson, "Night of Power"
"Definitely birds."
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