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Yusuf B Gursey
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:06 am
Post subject: Re: 'River X' or 'X River'? |
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Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message news:<3bz7ax5q.fsf@hpl.hp.com>...
| Quote: | R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes:
(Isn't there one in Saudi Arabia with the English name "The Wadi
River"?)...r
There's one in Texas called the Guadalupe River, which apparently
comes from mixed Arabic and Spanish "Wadi al-Lupe" (Wolf River) or
perhaps Arabic "Wadi al-Lubb", which would be something like "River of
the Core/Kernel/Essence".
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strictly speaking wa:di is a valley, esp. one that supports a
temporary river (of torrential nature) or the temporary river itself.
in areas where this is the main type of river around it gets to mean
"river".
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Jacqui
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Cycles [was Re: 'River X' or 'X River'?] |
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Linz wibbled
| Quote: | Laura F Spira wrote
I think I'd been reading aue for about two years before I became
really conscious of the cyclical nature of most topics but I
think it's probably random. Someone with time on their hands
might do a proper analysis.
Another interesting thing is how the same topics sometimes crop
up in different groups at the same time, without crossposting,
even though there appears to be no commonality in posters or any
external event that might have prompted the discussion.
Usenet. There are 200 people and 100 subjects, it's no wonder we
keep cropping up in different groups having the same conversations
over and over again!
[I have just been approached by someone in Livejournal who
wondered which of three newsgroups she might have met me in. All
three of them, at some time or another!]
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I think it's Fate at work. In a pre-Usenet universe, or a Victorian
novel, or something - thee and me (for instance) would find that our
paths crossed via a mutual aquaintance or third cousin or something.
The world is full of odd small coincidences, and Usenet just brings
them to the forefront.
I wonder if the cyclical nature of topics has anything to do with
the cyclical nature of media such as TV and print journalism.
Newspapers and magazines certainly have 'seasons' for stories, based
on what the majority of their readership might be deemed to be
interested in at that time of year. And of course the news is
cyclical by the nature of things, it's merely the details that
change. (War? Where? Death? Whose? Celebrity? Which one?)
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:01 pm
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On 19 Nov 2004 13:00:32 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | John Seeliger filted:
"R H Draney" <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:cnle5401o83@drn.newsguy.com...
The "Get Smart" people were fond of this sort of thing...I remember one
episode
where Max suggested that the best way to knock out the enemy's
anti-antimissile
missile was with their own anti-anti-antimissile missile missile....r
"Chief you're stammering".[1]
I think you got one extra missile in there. My recollection was
"Anti-anti-anti-missile missile". First you have a missile. Then you have
an anti-missile missile, which is a missile that takes out[2] other
missiles.
Missed it by *that* much....r
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Were you, by chance, under the Cone of Silence when you heard it?
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Charles Riggs
They are no accented letters in my email address
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:00 am
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Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
news:<3bz7ax5q.fsf@hpl.hp.com>...
R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes:
(Isn't there one in Saudi Arabia with the English name "The Wadi
River"?)...r
There's one in Texas called the Guadalupe River, which apparently
comes from mixed Arabic and Spanish "Wadi al-Lupe" (Wolf River) or
perhaps Arabic "Wadi al-Lubb", which would be something like "River
of
the Core/Kernel/Essence".
strictly speaking wa:di is a valley, esp. one that supports a
temporary river (of torrential nature) or the temporary river itself.
in areas where this is the main type of river around it gets to mean
"river".
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Interesting. In Spanish, it's the reverse. Strictly speaking an
"arroyo" is a river or stream, but in areas where most rivers are
temporary it has come to mean a dry watercourse (leaving "rio" as
"river"), and it's been adopted into English with that meaning, as a
synonym of Wwadi".
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:00 am
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Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
| Quote: | Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
news:<3bz7ax5q.fsf@hpl.hp.com>...
R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> writes:
(Isn't there one in Saudi Arabia with the English name "The Wadi
River"?)...r
There's one in Texas called the Guadalupe River, which apparently
comes from mixed Arabic and Spanish "Wadi al-Lupe" (Wolf River) or
perhaps Arabic "Wadi al-Lubb", which would be something like "River
of
the Core/Kernel/Essence".
strictly speaking wa:di is a valley, esp. one that supports a
temporary river (of torrential nature) or the temporary river itself.
in areas where this is the main type of river around it gets to mean
"river".
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Interesting. In Spanish, it's the reverse. Strictly speaking an
"arroyo" is a river or stream, but in areas where most rivers are
temporary it has come to mean a dry watercourse (leaving "rio" as
"river"), and it's been adopted into English with that meaning, as a
synonym of Wwadi".
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Linz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Cycles [was Re: 'River X' or 'X River'?] |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:15:33 +0000 (UTC), Jacqui
<sirlawrenceoblivion@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Linz wibbled
[I have just been approached by someone in Livejournal who
wondered which of three newsgroups she might have met me in. All
three of them, at some time or another!]
I think it's Fate at work. In a pre-Usenet universe, or a Victorian
novel, or something - thee and me (for instance) would find that our
paths crossed via a mutual aquaintance or third cousin or something.
The world is full of odd small coincidences, and Usenet just brings
them to the forefront.
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One of these days we should sit down and see if we can find common
links!
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I am careful and logical and I look things up I don't understand!
When I hear people use the wrong words I get edgy! I am good with
cheese. I read books fast. I /think/! And I always have a piece
of string. That's the kind of person I am! (Pratchett, Wee Free Men) |
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John Varela
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:05 am
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:59:57 UTC, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) wrote:
| Quote: | What Evan didn't mention is that the Texans didn't get the concept
directly from the Arabs. (This was before petroleum chumminess.) The
Guadalupe Mountains and the medieval town of Guadalupe were in Spain.
It's harder to find a record of a Guadalupe River there,
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Southern Spain has many rivers with names beginning "Guada", the best known
being the Río Guadalquivir, which flows past Córdoba and Seville. But there
are also the Guadiana, Guadalete, Guadalfeo, Guadalmena, etc. Also the Río
Guadarrama, near Madrid.
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John Varela
(Trade "OLD" lamps for "NEW" for email.)
I apologize for munging the address but the spam was too much. |
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don groves
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:05 am
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In article <ZKRm3c4Ddl7U-pn2-OznOdCgR4yBO@dialup-
4.249.9.189.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net>, John Varela at
OLDlamps@earthlink.net exposited:
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:59:57 UTC, trio@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) wrote:
What Evan didn't mention is that the Texans didn't get the concept
directly from the Arabs. (This was before petroleum chumminess.) The
Guadalupe Mountains and the medieval town of Guadalupe were in Spain.
It's harder to find a record of a Guadalupe River there,
Southern Spain has many rivers with names beginning "Guada", the best known
being the Río Guadalquivir, which flows past Córdoba and Seville. But there
are also the Guadiana, Guadalete, Guadalfeo, Guadalmena, etc. Also the Río
Guadarrama, near Madrid.
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Also the Guadalcanal.
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Mark Browne
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:08 pm
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, in alt.usage.english, Ray Heindl <me@privacy.net>
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| Quote: | The Arkansas River is a special case, as it's not necessarily
pronounced the same as the state.
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How is the name of the river pronounced? I don't believe that I have
ever heard it.
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Mark Browne
If replying by email, please use the "Reply-To" address, as the
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don groves
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:04 pm
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In article <bJliduOSebpBFwES@kafana.demon.co.uk.invalid>, Mark
Browne at news@kafana.demon.co.uk exposited:
| Quote: | On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, in alt.usage.english, Ray Heindl <me@privacy.net
writes
The Arkansas River is a special case, as it's not necessarily
pronounced the same as the state.
How is the name of the river pronounced? I don't believe that I have
ever heard it.
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R-kansas. Accent on KAN.
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dg (domain=ccwebster) |
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