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Berna Bleeker
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:00 pm
Post subject: Tie me kangaroo up, sport? |
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Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I suddenly
wondered: is there a difference between tying something/someone up and
tying it/him down?
Berna
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( )_( ) Berna M. Bleeker-Slikker
/ . . \ berna.bleeker@gmail.com
\ \@/ / http://www.volksliedjes.nl
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:01 pm
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Berna Bleeker wrote:
| Quote: | Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I
suddenly
wondered: is there a difference between tying something/someone up
and
tying it/him down?
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Well, they do tie in a bit.
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Mark Barratt
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:01 pm
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Berna Bleeker wrote:
| Quote: | Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I
suddenly wondered: is there a difference between tying
something/someone up and tying it/him down?
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Yes. You tie something down to prevent it leaping, floating or
blowing into the air. You might tie things down (i.e. fix them to
something immovable) before a hurricane.
Someone who is tied up isn't necessarily fixed to anything. Look
at the picture on
<http://www.accountingmanagement.org/about.html> for example.
About the only object I can think of that you might ordinarily
tie up is a parcel.
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Mark Barratt
Budapest
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:01 pm
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Mark Barratt wrote:
| Quote: | Berna Bleeker wrote:
Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I
suddenly wondered: is there a difference between tying
something/someone up and tying it/him down?
Yes. You tie something down to prevent it leaping, floating or
blowing into the air. You might tie things down (i.e. fix them to
something immovable) before a hurricane.
Someone who is tied up isn't necessarily fixed to anything. Look
at the picture on
http://www.accountingmanagement.org/about.html> for example.
About the only object I can think of that you might ordinarily
tie up is a parcel.
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Well, that ties it up pretty nicely, loose-end-wise.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Mark Barratt
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:00 am
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Barratt wrote:
Berna Bleeker wrote:
Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I
suddenly wondered: is there a difference between tying
something/someone up and tying it/him down?
Yes. You tie something down to prevent it leaping, floating or
blowing into the air. You might tie things down (i.e. fix
them to something immovable) before a hurricane.
Someone who is tied up isn't necessarily fixed to anything.
Look at the picture on
http://www.accountingmanagement.org/about.html> for example.
About the only object I can think of that you might ordinarily
tie up is a parcel.
Well, that ties it up pretty nicely, loose-end-wise.
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Actually, I'm more inclined to tidy up loose ends than tie them
up, but Google persuades me that I'm in a small minority on this.
Do loose ends justify loose means, I wonder?
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Mark Barratt
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JC Dill
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:00 am
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On 16 Nov 2004 19:17:09 GMT, "Mark Barratt" <mark.barratt@enternet.hu>
wrote:
| Quote: | Berna Bleeker wrote:
Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I
suddenly wondered: is there a difference between tying
something/someone up and tying it/him down?
Yes. You tie something down to prevent it leaping, floating or
blowing into the air. You might tie things down (i.e. fix them to
something immovable) before a hurricane.
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"Tie that horse up to a tree and come help me get this hay tarp tied
down before the storm hits."
You also tie up a dog to keep it from wandering. You can even tie up
the dog to a tie down in the back of your pickup truck.
jc |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:00 am
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Mark Barratt wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Mark Barratt wrote:
Berna Bleeker wrote:
Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I
suddenly wondered: is there a difference between tying
something/someone up and tying it/him down?
Yes. You tie something down to prevent it leaping, floating or
blowing into the air. You might tie things down (i.e. fix
them to something immovable) before a hurricane.
Someone who is tied up isn't necessarily fixed to anything.
Look at the picture on
http://www.accountingmanagement.org/about.html> for example.
About the only object I can think of that you might ordinarily
tie up is a parcel.
Well, that ties it up pretty nicely, loose-end-wise.
Actually, I'm more inclined to tidy up loose ends than tie them
up, but Google persuades me that I'm in a small minority on this.
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You can tidy them up, but they'd still remain loose. Tidy, though.
| Quote: | Do loose ends justify loose means, I wonder?
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I don't know. How loose? Are they tidy?
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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JC Dill
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:01 am
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:39:35 GMT, JC Dill <jcdill04@sonic.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Tie that horse up to a tree and come help me get this hay tarp tied
down before the storm hits."
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Following up...
You also put a horse "up" when you are done with riding.
<http://www.lisapolisar.com/stories/curbs.htm>
<quote>
Out of pure instinct, I stood up, grabbed the horse’s reins and
carefully leaned down to assess Lyle’s condition. His eyes were closed
and his lip was bleeding, probably from having bitten through it as he
landed. I put my finger to his neck and felt a strong pulse. Okay I
thought. What do I do next? Put the horse up. I walked way in front of
him and tied him to the same post that Lyle’s horse had been tied to,
then I carefully approached the other horse and did the same thing.
Not quite sure where my composure was coming from, I knew I was
performing for these horses, telling them in my subliminal human
language that they shouldn’t be afraid and that everything would be
okay. But as I looked down at Lyle’s crumpled body I didn’t believe
that for a minute.
"Can you walk?" I whispered when his eyes cracked open a hair.
"Where are the horses?"
"Tied up. They’re fine. I’m more worried about you right now. Is
anything broken?"
</quote>
<http://www.tankbooks.com/tanksfor/chap30.htm>
<quote>
We were all out there soaking up that sunshine and not in a fight,
that was one of the few times we weren’t in a fight, and they had some
big Belgian horses, they were huge, in a stable back there. Well,
Haines had done imbibed some, and he was getting the horses out and
riding them. He tried to make them run - well, them ol’ horses’ feet
were so big, they were big ranch horses, and they were liable to fall
down and hurt you if you made them run.
Snuffy saw him and he came and said, "Haines, put them horses up.
Let ’em alone."
Well, he put ’em up.
</quote>
I can't find this definition for "up" or "put up" n my usual online
dictionary source:
<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=up>
<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=put%20up>.
It is similar to this definition:
5 To provide lodgings for: put a friend up for the night.
In the cited text above, in the first quote the horse was just tied
up, in the second the horses were apparently just put away. In
neither case was there any tending to the horses or providing the
lodgings.
Would this type of use be considered "stable lingo"?
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Skitt
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:01 am
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JC Dill wrote:
| Quote: | JC Dill wrote:
"Tie that horse up to a tree and come help me get this hay tarp tied
down before the storm hits."
Following up...
You also put a horse "up" when you are done with riding.
http://www.lisapolisar.com/stories/curbs.htm
quote
Out of pure instinct, I stood up, grabbed the horse's reins and
carefully leaned down to assess Lyle's condition. His eyes were closed
and his lip was bleeding, probably from having bitten through it as he
landed. I put my finger to his neck and felt a strong pulse. Okay I
thought. What do I do next? Put the horse up. I walked way in front of
him and tied him to the same post that Lyle's horse had been tied to,
then I carefully approached the other horse and did the same thing.
Not quite sure where my composure was coming from, I knew I was
performing for these horses, telling them in my subliminal human
language that they shouldn't be afraid and that everything would be
okay. But as I looked down at Lyle's crumpled body I didn't believe
that for a minute.
"Can you walk?" I whispered when his eyes cracked open a hair.
"Where are the horses?"
"Tied up. They're fine. I'm more worried about you right now. Is
anything broken?"
/quote
http://www.tankbooks.com/tanksfor/chap30.htm
quote
We were all out there soaking up that sunshine and not in a fight,
that was one of the few times we weren't in a fight, and they had some
big Belgian horses, they were huge, in a stable back there. Well,
Haines had done imbibed some, and he was getting the horses out and
riding them. He tried to make them run - well, them ol' horses' feet
were so big, they were big ranch horses, and they were liable to fall
down and hurt you if you made them run.
Snuffy saw him and he came and said, "Haines, put them horses up.
Let 'em alone."
Well, he put 'em up.
/quote
I can't find this definition for "up" or "put up" n my usual online
dictionary source:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=up
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=put%20up>.
It is similar to this definition:
5 To provide lodgings for: put a friend up for the night.
In the cited text above, in the first quote the horse was just tied
up, in the second the horses were apparently just put away. In
neither case was there any tending to the horses or providing the
lodgings.
Would this type of use be considered "stable lingo"?
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What put you up to this? (Rhetorical question.)
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:01 am
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JC Dill wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:39:35 GMT, JC Dill <jcdill04@sonic.net
wrote: |
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| Quote: | Snuffy saw him and he came and said, "Haines, put them horses
up.
Let 'em alone."
Well, he put 'em up.
/quote
I can't find this definition for "up" or "put up" n my usual
online
dictionary source:
[...]
In the cited text above, in the first quote the horse was just tied
up, in the second the horses were apparently just put away. In
neither case was there any tending to the horses or providing the
lodgings.
Would this type of use be considered "stable lingo"?
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I don't think I've ever heard it. But this "put up" is clearly much
the same as putting up a sword (often misunderstood as raising the
sword to a "salute" position, when in fact it means sheathing it), or
putting up your watch in your pocket: both obsolete. But not quite
obsolete is putting up a preserve of some kind in a jar, which a
thread a few years ago revealed to be current among AUE contestants
only for Bob Cunningham and me.
Analogous may be "store up".
Mike. |
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:02 am
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J.C. Dill writes:
| Quote: | You also tie up a dog to keep it from wandering. You can even tie up
the dog to a tie down in the back of your pickup truck.
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Rather, to a tiedown. When a phrase consisting of a verb and an
adverb, preposition, particle, or the like is converted to a noun,
the words are always run together, or at least hyphenated. Layoff,
turnoff, runoff, shutoff; layout, turnout, runout, shutout; layup,
turnup, runup... and why no "shutup"?
(I encounter "runout" in a bridge context -- a bidding convention
that allows a pair to "run out" of a bad contract. "Layup" is a
sports term, I think basketball; "runup" occurs in British politics.
Some people would hyphenate some of these words.)
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "The English future is very confusing!
msb@vex.net (This is not a political statement.)"
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don groves
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:03 am
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In article <419a42a4$0$46859$e4fe514c@dreader9.news.xs4all.nl>,
Berna Bleeker at berna.bleeker@gmail.com exposited:
| Quote: | Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I suddenly
wondered: is there a difference between tying something/someone up and
tying it/him down?
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Good man, your husband.
Tying something "down" means to secure it so it can't move, like
lashing a crate to the deck of a ship in heavy seas. Tying "up"
can be used that way but is usually used in other ways: tying up
a person's hands, tying a horse's lead to a rail, tying a dog's
leash to a tree, tying up a package for shipment, tying up a
business deal, ...
There are undoubtedly execptions to this and it's meant only as a
guide to general usage.
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LarryLard
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:02 pm
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Berna Bleeker <berna.bleeker@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<419a42a4$0$46859$e4fe514c@dreader9.news.xs4all.nl>...
| Quote: | Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I suddenly
wondered: is there a difference between tying something/someone up and
tying it/him down?
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No one has yet mentioned Pedro Almodovar's 1990 film 'Atame', which
was released in the USA as 'Tie me up! Tie me down!'. I thought I
ought to.
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Larry Lard
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Ian Noble
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:33 am
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On 17 Nov 2004 05:39:12 -0800, larrylard@hotmail.com (LarryLard)
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| Quote: | Berna Bleeker <berna.bleeker@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<419a42a4$0$46859$e4fe514c@dreader9.news.xs4all.nl>...
Tonight my husband was singing "Tie me kangaroo down", and I suddenly
wondered: is there a difference between tying something/someone up and
tying it/him down?
No one has yet mentioned Pedro Almodovar's 1990 film 'Atame', which
was released in the USA as 'Tie me up! Tie me down!'. I thought I
ought to.
Go ahead, by all means. |
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Mark Barratt
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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Mark Brader wrote:
| Quote: | When a phrase consisting of a verb and an
adverb, preposition, particle, or the like is converted to a
noun, the words are always run together, or at least
hyphenated. Layoff, turnoff, runoff, shutoff; layout, turnout,
runout, shutout; layup, turnup, runup... and why no "shutup"?
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Did you see that? He wrote 'always'! This is the
find-the-exception game that first hooked me on aue, years ago.
Now, let's see...
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Mark Barratt
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