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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:00 pm
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Is a tarboosh the same as a fez? Have you ever worn a fez?
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:00 pm
Post subject: Re: [OT] tarboosh |
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Jim Ward wrote:
| Quote: | Is a tarboosh the same as a fez? Have you ever worn a fez?
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As I understand it, a tarboosh, though with variations, is
essentially the same thing as what the Turks call a _fez_. The
traditional Egyptian kind forms the core round which an emma (sort of
"turban") is wound, while in the old days Turks and some Levantines
and Egyptians wore them on their own.
I have a vague sense that the word "fez" has something to do with the
place in Morocco where the red dye came from; but "tarboosh" just
means "cap".
Mike. |
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:00 pm
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"Jim Ward" <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote in message
news:6jsjp09pjbk2dimpehjlaove0eem9o5jiq@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Is a tarboosh the same as a fez? Have you ever worn a fez?
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1. Yes I think so.
2. Only in costume on stage (acting in
The Caucasian Chalk Circle.)
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
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John Dean
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:01 pm
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Jim Ward wrote:
| Quote: | Is a tarboosh the same as a fez? Have you ever worn a fez?
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Fez Tarboosh.
Tarboosh Fez.
Just like that.
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John 'cackles maniacally' Dean
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rzed
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:01 pm
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Jim Ward <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote in
news:6jsjp09pjbk2dimpehjlaove0eem9o5jiq@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Is a tarboosh the same as a fez? Have you ever worn a fez?
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Thanks for your post, which nudged me to look into the Turco-
Egyptian hat incident of 1932 ( see
<http://www.egy.com/historica/96-10-26.shtml> if interested).
Turkey had banned the wearing of the fez and when a man who was
upbraided (at least) for wearing one turned out to be an Egyptian
envoy, Turkey and Egypt got into a hissy fit about the whole thing.
They didn't quite come to blows, it seems. The two countries
survived without overt conflict for another twenty years until
1952, when Egypt deprecated the tarboush and, for evidently
unrelated reasons, broke off relations with Turkey.
And now, back to the NG.
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Jim Ward
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:01 pm
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:31:51 GMT, rzed <jello@comics.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for your post, which nudged me to look into the Turco-
Egyptian hat incident of 1932 ( see
http://www.egy.com/historica/96-10-26.shtml> if interested).
Turkey had banned the wearing of the fez and when a man who was
upbraided (at least) for wearing one turned out to be an Egyptian
envoy, Turkey and Egypt got into a hissy fit about the whole thing.
They didn't quite come to blows, it seems. The two countries
survived without overt conflict for another twenty years until
1952, when Egypt deprecated the tarboush and, for evidently
unrelated reasons, broke off relations with Turkey.
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Thanks for an interesting story! Certainly odd that a Turkish hat,
possibly even worn by a mameluke overlord, would become such an
Egyptian symbol of nationality. |
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Yusuf B Gursey
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:06 am
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"Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<2vugd5F2q3g71U1@uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | Jim Ward wrote:
Is a tarboosh the same as a fez? Have you ever worn a fez?
As I understand it, a tarboosh, though with variations, is
essentially the same thing as what the Turks call a _fez_. The
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the Ottoman sultan Mahmud II (early 19th cent.) issued a decree
limiting the turban to imams.
he abolished all the variety of headgear coded according to one's
religion and status and decreed the fez for all.
Turks wore felt caps before, but the red one with a tassle was a North
African fashion, made obligatory by Mahmud II. the North African
provinces had supported his reforms and sometimes went further. North
African fashions thus spread among reformist Turks, and allies from
other ethnic groups.
| Quote: | traditional Egyptian kind forms the core round which an emma (sort of
"turban") is wound, while in the old days Turks and some Levantines
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this was what the lower classes wore in late ottoman times. guild
members obtained permission to wear a small turban round their fez.
| Quote: | and Egyptians wore them on their own.
I have a vague sense that the word "fez" has something to do with the
place in Morocco where the red dye came from; but "tarboosh" just
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yes, it is from the city in Morocco, fa's / fa:s ("Fez")
perhaps originally, but normally "fez" is understood by "Tarbu:*sh*
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