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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:00 pm
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Jess Askin wrote:
| Quote: | "Mark Barratt" <mark.barratt@enternet.hu> wrote in message
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don groves wrote:
In article <t08ip0l4e8q9lrg1pa7j94745k671om3v0@4ax.com>,
publicity at publicity@celed.com exposited:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
A person who knows how to make espresso and other coffee drinks
made using steam under high pressure.
There's almost certainly an American university where you can
major in this.
Yes indeed, Americans are known worldwide for high professional
standards in the preparation of food and drink. Baristas trained
here
are in demand throughout Italy, just as many sushi bars in Japan
now
feature an American itamae.
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Sad, really: in the other English-speaking countries, all university
students major in instant coffee with Marvel.
Mike.
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Spehro Pefhany
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:01 pm
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On 16 Nov 2004 11:36:31 GMT, the renowned Areff <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | Matthew Huntbach wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Martin Ambuhl wrote:
publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
Paravia expands on the Italian meaning (SOED5 is, after all, not an Italian
dictionary):
1 bartender; (uomo) barman, counterman; (donna) barmaid
2 (padrone) barkeeper
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in English.
Maybe the word has a longer history in American English, but in British
English it was introduced with the boom in coffee bars to mean the
above i.e. "a person who serves in a coffee bar" in the past few years.
Coffee bar chains seem to like to use an Italian-derived vocabulary, even
though neither the bars nor the coffee they serve bears much similarity
to what would be found in Italy. Perhaps the "(Proprietrary name for)"
is an indicator that some cofee bar chain deliberately took this word and
gave it its new English meaning.
I've heard and seen it used in AmE to mean "person who serves in a coffee
bar"; I wasn't familiar with the "home espresso machine" meaning.
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Yes, I think Starbucks uses the term for the person who prepares the
coffee beverages. I'll hazard a guess that the Adam@Home cartoons have
helped to popularize it, even among those of us who think Starbucks
coffee is substandard.
This is the first time I noticed the word, in 1997:
http://www.amureprints.com/img1/adam/1997/ad970504.gif
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Hagrinas Mivali
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:01 pm
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don groves wrote:
| Quote: | In article <t08ip0l4e8q9lrg1pa7j94745k671om3v0@4ax.com>,
publicity at publicity@celed.com exposited:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
A person who knows how to make espresso and other coffee drinks
made using steam under high pressure.
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A person who knows how to do this in a more relaxed atmosphere would not fit
the bill.
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Ray Heindl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:01 am
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Matthew Huntbach <mmh@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Maybe the word has a longer history in American English, but in
British English it was introduced with the boom in coffee bars to
mean the above i.e. "a person who serves in a coffee bar" in the
past few years. Coffee bar chains seem to like to use an
Italian-derived vocabulary, even though neither the bars nor the
coffee they serve bears much similarity to what would be found in
Italy. Perhaps the "(Proprietrary name for)" is an indicator that
some cofee bar chain deliberately took this word and gave it its
new English meaning.
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There are many US trademarks with the word "barista" in them.
Strangely, the word by itself was abandoned as a mark in 2001.
Starbucks has registered "STARBUCKS BARISTA" for a coffee grinder.
--
Ray Heindl
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don groves
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:03 am
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In article <Xns95A3AF78C8152amfmssb@130.133.1.4>, Ray Heindl at
me@privacy.net exposited:
| Quote: | Matthew Huntbach <mmh@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> wrote:
Maybe the word has a longer history in American English, but in
British English it was introduced with the boom in coffee bars to
mean the above i.e. "a person who serves in a coffee bar" in the
past few years. Coffee bar chains seem to like to use an
Italian-derived vocabulary, even though neither the bars nor the
coffee they serve bears much similarity to what would be found in
Italy. Perhaps the "(Proprietrary name for)" is an indicator that
some cofee bar chain deliberately took this word and gave it its
new English meaning.
There are many US trademarks with the word "barista" in them.
Strangely, the word by itself was abandoned as a mark in 2001.
Starbucks has registered "STARBUCKS BARISTA" for a coffee grinder.
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Why is the abandonment strange? Since "barista" has been in use
around the world for years, how could Starbucks hope to make a
trademark stick? Unless they hired some of Microsoft's lawyers.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:03 pm
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@earthlink.net> writes:
| Quote: | publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
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And, interestingly, it's English from Latin from English. From
MWCD11:
Main Entry: ba·ris·ta
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian, person working behind a bar, from _bar_ bar
(from English) + -_ista_ 1-ist
Date: 1982
: a person who makes and serves coffee (as espresso) to the public
They don't note it as a being a trademark. The only live mark in the
US for the word by itself is for software (owned by Corel). There are
a couple of older dead marks, but the "first use in commerce" dates
don't seem to go back before 1988. (Most of the trademark uses are
for catering services or coffee-making devices.) There's one
registration for "Baristas Without Borders", described as
Educational services, namely, conducting professional training
seminars, workshops and courses for individuals who prepare coffee
and espresso beverages
Business management and consultation, namely, organizing a labor
exchange program which matches trained baristas to cafes for
sharing of espresso expertise, global experience and growth;
business management of a barista exchange program
and that one specifically says
NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE BARISTAS APART FROM
THE MARK AS SHOWN
So it would appear that the USPTO doesn't consider the word
proprietary.
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |The plural of "anecdote"
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |is not "data"
Palo Alto, CA 94304
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:33 am
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"Evan Kirshenbaum" <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
news:6544ea5u.fsf@hpl.hp.com...
| Quote: | Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@earthlink.net> writes:
publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
And, interestingly, it's English from Latin from English.
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Oy! |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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"Jess Askin" <nospam@dontbother.net> writes:
| Quote: | "Evan Kirshenbaum" <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> wrote in message
news:6544ea5u.fsf@hpl.hp.com...
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@earthlink.net> writes:
publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
And, interestingly, it's English from Latin from English.
Oy!
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Well, one a them Latin dialects.
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |If I may digress momentarily from
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |the mainstream of this evening's
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |symposium, I'd like to sing a song
|which is completely pointless.
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | Tom Lehrer
(650)857-7572
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |
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Ray Heindl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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don groves <dgroves@domain.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <Xns95A3AF78C8152amfmssb@130.133.1.4>, Ray Heindl at
me@privacy.net exposited:
There are many US trademarks with the word "barista" in them.
Strangely, the word by itself was abandoned as a mark in 2001.
Starbucks has registered "STARBUCKS BARISTA" for a coffee grinder.
Why is the abandonment strange? Since "barista" has been in use
around the world for years, how could Starbucks hope to make a
trademark stick? Unless they hired some of Microsoft's lawyers.
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It wasn't a Starbucks mark that was abandoned; it was some company I'd
never heard of. As to "strange", it seemed odd to me that a word
that's popular in combination wouldn't be more so by itself. Was it
in use much in the US in the pre-Starbucks days, and does common use
outside the US affect its usability in the US? I don't know what
"abandoned" means in this context, whether it was challenged and found
invalid, or the holder decided not to use it.
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Ray Heindl
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:34 am
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In message <Xns95A4A56A6BCDEamfmssb@130.133.1.4>, Ray Heindl
<me@privacy.net> writes
| Quote: | don groves <dgroves@domain.net> wrote:
In article <Xns95A3AF78C8152amfmssb@130.133.1.4>, Ray Heindl at
me@privacy.net exposited:
There are many US trademarks with the word "barista" in them.
Strangely, the word by itself was abandoned as a mark in 2001.
Starbucks has registered "STARBUCKS BARISTA" for a coffee grinder.
Why is the abandonment strange? Since "barista" has been in use
around the world for years, how could Starbucks hope to make a
trademark stick? Unless they hired some of Microsoft's lawyers.
It wasn't a Starbucks mark that was abandoned; it was some company I'd
never heard of. As to "strange", it seemed odd to me that a word
that's popular in combination wouldn't be more so by itself. Was it
in use much in the US in the pre-Starbucks days, and does common use
outside the US affect its usability in the US? I don't know what
"abandoned" means in this context, whether it was challenged and found
invalid, or the holder decided not to use it.
It usually means that the examining attorney in the Patent and Trademark |
Office issued a rejection letter that wasn't overcome by the applicant's
reply (if any). If so, the examiner had probably said in legalese what
has been said here.
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Paul
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Ray Heindl
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:01 am
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Paul Wolff <bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <Xns95A4A56A6BCDEamfmssb@130.133.1.4>, Ray Heindl
me@privacy.net> writes
It wasn't a Starbucks mark that was abandoned; it was some company
I'd never heard of. As to "strange", it seemed odd to me that a
word that's popular in combination wouldn't be more so by itself.
Was it in use much in the US in the pre-Starbucks days, and does
common use outside the US affect its usability in the US? I don't
know what "abandoned" means in this context, whether it was
challenged and found invalid, or the holder decided not to use it.
It usually means that the examining attorney in the Patent and
Trademark Office issued a rejection letter that wasn't overcome by
the applicant's reply (if any). If so, the examiner had probably
said in legalese what has been said here.
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Interesting. Somehow "abandoned" sounds more like the applicant's
choice than the examiner's, but I am not a trademark lawyer.
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Ray Heindl
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:00 am
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In message <Xns95A5AA260EA3Famfmssb@130.133.1.4>, Ray Heindl
<me@privacy.net> writes
| Quote: | Paul Wolff <bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
In message <Xns95A4A56A6BCDEamfmssb@130.133.1.4>, Ray Heindl
me@privacy.net> writes
It wasn't a Starbucks mark that was abandoned; it was some company
I'd never heard of. As to "strange", it seemed odd to me that a
word that's popular in combination wouldn't be more so by itself.
Was it in use much in the US in the pre-Starbucks days, and does
common use outside the US affect its usability in the US? I don't
know what "abandoned" means in this context, whether it was
challenged and found invalid, or the holder decided not to use it.
It usually means that the examining attorney in the Patent and
Trademark Office issued a rejection letter that wasn't overcome by
the applicant's reply (if any). If so, the examiner had probably
said in legalese what has been said here.
Interesting. Somehow "abandoned" sounds more like the applicant's
choice than the examiner's, but I am not a trademark lawyer.
We've had an application marked abandoned when we hadn't replied to a |
letter that the US representative attorney hadn't received - and then
had to petition for revival on the grounds we had 'unintentionally'
abandoned it. It's a closed mindset in there, I tell you.
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Paul
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