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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:01 am
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Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
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don groves
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:01 am
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In article <t08ip0l4e8q9lrg1pa7j94745k671om3v0@4ax.com>,
publicity at publicity@celed.com exposited:
| Quote: | Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
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A person who knows how to make espresso and other coffee drinks
made using steam under high pressure.
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:01 am
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publicity wrote:
| Quote: | Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
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[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
Paravia expands on the Italian meaning (SOED5 is, after all, not an
Italian dictionary):
1 bartender; (uomo) barman, counterman; (donna) barmaid
2 (padrone) barkeeper
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in English.
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Mark Barratt
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:02 am
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don groves wrote:
| Quote: | In article <t08ip0l4e8q9lrg1pa7j94745k671om3v0@4ax.com>,
publicity at publicity@celed.com exposited:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
A person who knows how to make espresso and other coffee drinks
made using steam under high pressure.
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There's almost certainly an American university where you can
major in this.
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:02 am
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"Mark Barratt" <mark.barratt@enternet.hu> wrote in message
news:xn0dptfx27yi8su00j@news.individual.net...
| Quote: | don groves wrote:
In article <t08ip0l4e8q9lrg1pa7j94745k671om3v0@4ax.com>,
publicity at publicity@celed.com exposited:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
A person who knows how to make espresso and other coffee drinks
made using steam under high pressure.
There's almost certainly an American university where you can
major in this.
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Yes indeed, Americans are known worldwide for high professional standards in
the preparation of food and drink. Baristas trained here are in demand
throughout Italy, just as many sushi bars in Japan now feature an American
itamae. |
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don groves
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:00 am
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In article <xn0dptfx27yi8su00j@news.individual.net>, Mark Barratt
at mark.barratt@enternet.hu exposited:
| Quote: | don groves wrote:
In article <t08ip0l4e8q9lrg1pa7j94745k671om3v0@4ax.com>,
publicity at publicity@celed.com exposited:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
A person who knows how to make espresso and other coffee drinks
made using steam under high pressure.
There's almost certainly an American university where you can
major in this.
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Italy, I would believe. Unless, there's a Starbucks U. in the
states.
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don groves
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:00 am
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In article <cnbg3c$ta$1@news.netins.net>, Jess Askin at
nospam@dontbother.net exposited:
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"Mark Barratt" <mark.barratt@enternet.hu> wrote in message
news:xn0dptfx27yi8su00j@news.individual.net...
don groves wrote:
In article <t08ip0l4e8q9lrg1pa7j94745k671om3v0@4ax.com>,
publicity at publicity@celed.com exposited:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
A person who knows how to make espresso and other coffee drinks
made using steam under high pressure.
There's almost certainly an American university where you can
major in this.
Yes indeed, Americans are known worldwide for high professional standards in
the preparation of food and drink. Baristas trained here are in demand
throughout Italy, just as many sushi bars in Japan now feature an American
itamae.
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Is that one of those dudes wot knows how to prepare fugu
(Blowfish) so it doesn't kill the customer? I understand they
study for years. Wonder how often they mess up?
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John O'Flaherty
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:01 am
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Martin Ambuhl wrote:
| Quote: | publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
Paravia expands on the Italian meaning (SOED5 is, after all, not an
Italian dictionary):
1 bartender; (uomo) barman, counterman; (donna) barmaid
2 (padrone) barkeeper
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in English.
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What does the '(Proprietary name for)' part mean? Proprietary to what?
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:00 am
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John O'Flaherty wrote:
| Quote: | Martin Ambuhl wrote:
publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
Paravia expands on the Italian meaning (SOED5 is, after all, not an
Italian dictionary):
1 bartender; (uomo) barman, counterman; (donna) barmaid
2 (padrone) barkeeper
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in
English.
What does the '(Proprietary name for)' part mean? Proprietary to what?
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Proprietary, in the US, at least, to Starbucks, who own Barista as a
tradename for their home espresso machine. |
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Christopher Green
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:00 am
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:33:17 -0500, publicity <publicity@celed.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
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Italian, roughly "bartender". In Italy, the place you go to get
espresso (or cappucino or caffe corretto) is a "bar". (Bars also serve
snacks, sodas, fruit juice, liquor, and maybe gelato.) The barista
runs the espresso machine and serves you your coffee as you stand at
the bar.
In the US, a barista runs the espresso machine and may or may not
serve customers directly.
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Matthew Huntbach
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:00 pm
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Martin Ambuhl wrote:
| Quote: | publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
Paravia expands on the Italian meaning (SOED5 is, after all, not an Italian
dictionary):
1 bartender; (uomo) barman, counterman; (donna) barmaid
2 (padrone) barkeeper
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in English.
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Maybe the word has a longer history in American English, but in British
English it was introduced with the boom in coffee bars to mean the
above i.e. "a person who serves in a coffee bar" in the past few years.
Coffee bar chains seem to like to use an Italian-derived vocabulary, even
though neither the bars nor the coffee they serve bears much similarity
to what would be found in Italy. Perhaps the "(Proprietrary name for)"
is an indicator that some cofee bar chain deliberately took this word and
gave it its new English meaning.
Matthew Huntbach |
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Areff
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:00 pm
Post subject: Re: What's barista? |
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Martin Ambuhl wrote:
| Quote: | John O'Flaherty wrote:
Martin Ambuhl wrote:
publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
Paravia expands on the Italian meaning (SOED5 is, after all, not an
Italian dictionary):
1 bartender; (uomo) barman, counterman; (donna) barmaid
2 (padrone) barkeeper
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in
English.
What does the '(Proprietary name for)' part mean? Proprietary to what?
Proprietary, in the US, at least, to Starbucks, who own Barista as a
tradename for their home espresso machine.
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Why does it say "(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee
bar" then? It should say:
1. A person who serves in a coffee bar.
2. (Proprietary name for) a home espresso machine.
WAIM?
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Areff
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:00 pm
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Matthew Huntbach wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Martin Ambuhl wrote:
publicity wrote:
Often read some restaurants or bakery stores need barista.
The word isn't in the dictionary. What does it mean?
[SOED5]
barista, noun. /ba"ri;st@/ L20. [Italian = barman.]
(Proprietary name for) a person who serves in a coffee bar.
Paravia expands on the Italian meaning (SOED5 is, after all, not an Italian
dictionary):
1 bartender; (uomo) barman, counterman; (donna) barmaid
2 (padrone) barkeeper
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in English.
Maybe the word has a longer history in American English, but in British
English it was introduced with the boom in coffee bars to mean the
above i.e. "a person who serves in a coffee bar" in the past few years.
Coffee bar chains seem to like to use an Italian-derived vocabulary, even
though neither the bars nor the coffee they serve bears much similarity
to what would be found in Italy. Perhaps the "(Proprietrary name for)"
is an indicator that some cofee bar chain deliberately took this word and
gave it its new English meaning.
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I've heard and seen it used in AmE to mean "person who serves in a coffee
bar"; I wasn't familiar with the "home espresso machine" meaning.
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Alan Jones
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"Matthew Huntbach" <mmh@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0411161005450.18361@frank.dcs.qmul.ac.uk...
| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Martin Ambuhl wrote:
[...]
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in
English.
Maybe the word has a longer history in American English, but in British
English it was introduced with the boom in coffee bars to mean the
above i.e. "a person who serves in a coffee bar" in the past few years.
Coffee bar chains seem to like to use an Italian-derived vocabulary, even
though neither the bars nor the coffee they serve bears much similarity
to what would be found in Italy. Perhaps the "(Proprietrary name for)"
is an indicator that some cofee bar chain deliberately took this word and
gave it its new English meaning.
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If the UK person who works the espresso machine is not the same as the one
who takes the order and hands over the coffee to the customer, it's only the
first who is the "barista". If Starbucks regard it as a proprietary name for
either of these people, they don't take any steps to warn off the other
companies. (Anyway, I avoid Starbucks - anyone in Bath would do much better
at Caffe Nero, and I fancy the "Blue Onion" bar in Devizes may sell the best
coffee in Wiltshire since Michael Snell in Salisbury retired and his shop
changed hands. Please let me know if there is any rival!)
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Matthew Huntbach
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:00 pm
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Alan Jones wrote:
| Quote: | "Matthew Huntbach" <mmh@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> wrote in message
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Martin Ambuhl wrote:
Ragazzini/Biagi has in its concise dictionary:
barman(m.); bartender (m., USA); barmaid (f.)
Obviously, the word has a different, although related, meaning in
English.
Maybe the word has a longer history in American English, but in British
English it was introduced with the boom in coffee bars to mean the
above i.e. "a person who serves in a coffee bar" in the past few years.
Coffee bar chains seem to like to use an Italian-derived vocabulary, even
though neither the bars nor the coffee they serve bears much similarity
to what would be found in Italy. Perhaps the "(Proprietrary name for)"
is an indicator that some cofee bar chain deliberately took this word and
gave it its new English meaning.
If the UK person who works the espresso machine is not the same as the one
who takes the order and hands over the coffee to the customer, it's only the
first who is the "barista". If Starbucks regard it as a proprietary name for
either of these people, they don't take any steps to warn off the other
companies.
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Ah, but if they did, that would reveal the marketing trick. They would
be shown up as using their own made-up Italian-sounding terminology,
rather than carrying on some authentic Italian tradition.
Matthew Huntbach |
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