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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:00 am
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Steve Hayes wrote:
| Quote: | Bob G wrote:
There's discussion in the news today whether Hinckley should be
allowed a greater degree of freedom.
I thought they'd let her out, and then realised that I was thinking of
Hindley.
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Hindley being...? (Google has something about "Murder on the Moors"
which involved a Myra Hindley.)
Maria Conlon |
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:00 pm
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Maria Conlon wrote:
| Quote: | Steve Hayes wrote:
Bob G wrote:
There's discussion in the news today whether Hinckley should be
allowed a greater degree of freedom.
I thought they'd let her out, and then realised that I was thinking of
Hindley.
Hindley being...? (Google has something about "Murder on the Moors"
which involved a Myra Hindley.)
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That's the one.
She and her boyfriend, Ian Brady, kidnapped children, tortured them,
murdered them, and then buried the bodies on the moors. They were known
as the Moors Murderers.
She found religion while in prison, and repented of her evil ways. I see
that she has now died.
Fran |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:01 pm
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Maria Conlon filted:
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And though Hinckley may no longer fit the definition (with 20 years
having past, and with Reagan no longer being alive), a "would-be
assassin" is exactly what he was. So, in describing Hinckley now, is it
really necessary to update the "title"? If so, I would call him,
perhaps, the "one time would-be assassin." But that sounds too fussy to
me, and so do the other suggestions I've read so far.
I agree with Don -- the name Hinckley earned was "would-be assassin" and
"would-be assassin" it should remain.
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And if someone insists on explaining it, he could be "would-be Reagan
assassin"...I'm surprised nobody has yet thought of reversing the order of the
attributes this way....r |
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rzed
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:01 pm
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R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote in
news:cnd32s0rnh@drn.newsguy.com:
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| Quote: | And if someone insists on explaining it, he could be "would-be
Reagan assassin"
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At first I thought this was a little awkward but then I realized it
that it indeed should be "could be 'would-be Reagan assassin'".
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rzed
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Christopher Green
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:01 am
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"Don Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> wrote in message news:<v_amd.618$Su4.6320@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
| Quote: | "Bob G" <bobjames27@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041115163539.05986.00000447@mb-m19.aol.com...
Someone referred to him as a "Reagan would-be assassin".
But that strikes me as awkward, since he no longer is a "would-be", being
currently incarcerated and unable, but is rather a "might-have-been"
assassin,
or "could-have-been", or "wanted-to-be".
No. (In other words) the court convicted him
of a deliberate (would-be) attempt at murder
(assassination.) Rightly or wrongly, he will
carry burden of that conviction as long as he
lives, i.e. will rightly be called a would-be assassin.
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Actually, Hinckley was never convicted. He was found not guilty by
reason of insanity. As a corollary, this would mean that the court
determined he could not have formed the mental state needed to attempt
murder. This underlies the current (the most recent of many) dispute
over "limited conditional release": his doctors and family claim he is
rehabilitated, but a D.C. judge has to approve, and understandably
enough, no judge is eager to grant him much of a long leash.
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Chris Green |
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Christopher Green
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:01 am
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bobjames27@aol.com (Bob G) wrote in message news:<20041115163539.05986.00000447@mb-m19.aol.com>...
| Quote: | There's discussion in the news today whether Hinckley should be allowed a
greater degree of freedom.
Someone referred to him as a "Reagan would-be assassin".
But that strikes me as awkward, since he no longer is a "would-be", being
currently incarcerated and unable, but is rather a "might-have-been" assassin,
or "could-have-been", or "wanted-to-be".
Anyone agree?
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Point of quibble: Hinckley is not incarcerated. He was found not
guilty by reason of insanity (which makes all of the "assassin" labels
disputable, as we have it on the court's authority that he could not
have formed the mental state to attempt assassination). He was
committed in accordance with the NGBI verdict to St. Elizabeth's
Hospital, where he resides under apparently comfortable conditions few
would think of as incarceration, except for occasional releases.
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Chris Green |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:02 am
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"Christopher Green" <cj.green@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:c31fa7b1.0411161447.486da5d1@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Don Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> wrote in message
news:<v_amd.618$Su4.6320@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
"Bob G" <bobjames27@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041115163539.05986.00000447@mb-m19.aol.com...
Someone referred to him as a "Reagan would-be assassin".
But that strikes me as awkward, since he no longer is a "would-be",
being
currently incarcerated and unable, but is rather a "might-have-been"
assassin,
or "could-have-been", or "wanted-to-be".
No. (In other words) the court convicted him
of a deliberate (would-be) attempt at murder
(assassination.) Rightly or wrongly, he will
carry burden of that conviction as long as he
lives, i.e. will rightly be called a would-be assassin.
Actually, Hinckley was never convicted. He was found not guilty by
reason of insanity. As a corollary, this would mean that the court
determined he could not have formed the mental state needed to attempt
murder. This underlies the current (the most recent of many) dispute
over "limited conditional release": his doctors and family claim he is
rehabilitated, but a D.C. judge has to approve, and understandably
enough, no judge is eager to grant him much of a long leash.
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If he'd stood trial for attempted murder, he'd probably be free and clear by
now. |
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:02 am
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"Christopher Green" <cj.green@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:c31fa7b1.0411161459.680415f4@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | bobjames27@aol.com (Bob G) wrote in message
news:<20041115163539.05986.00000447@mb-m19.aol.com>...
There's discussion in the news today whether Hinckley should be allowed
a
greater degree of freedom.
Someone referred to him as a "Reagan would-be assassin".
But that strikes me as awkward, since he no longer is a "would-be",
being
currently incarcerated and unable, but is rather a "might-have-been"
assassin,
or "could-have-been", or "wanted-to-be".
Anyone agree?
Point of quibble: Hinckley is not incarcerated. He was found not
guilty by reason of insanity (which makes all of the "assassin" labels
disputable, as we have it on the court's authority that he could not
have formed the mental state to attempt assassination). He was
committed in accordance with the NGBI verdict to St. Elizabeth's
Hospital,
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Ezra Pound's alma mater.
| Quote: | where he resides under apparently comfortable conditions few
would think of as incarceration, except for occasional releases.
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Just because they didn't chain him to the wall and restrict his diet to
bread and water, doesn't mean he's not incarcerated. M-W sez:
Main Entry: in·car·cer·ate
Pronunciation: in-'kär-s&-"rAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Latin incarceratus, past participle of incarcerare, from in- +
carcer prison
1 : to put in prison
2 : to subject to confinement |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:01 am
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:13:04 -0500, "Maria Conlon"
<mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Steve Hayes wrote:
Bob G wrote:
There's discussion in the news today whether Hinckley should be
allowed a greater degree of freedom.
I thought they'd let her out, and then realised that I was thinking of
Hindley.
Hindley being...? (Google has something about "Murder on the Moors"
which involved a Myra Hindley.)
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That's the one -- there was talk of letting her out.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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Christopher Green
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:37 am
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"Jess Askin" <nospam@dontbother.net> wrote in message news:<cne4ll$ub4$1@news.netins.net>...
| Quote: | "Christopher Green" <cj.green@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:c31fa7b1.0411161447.486da5d1@posting.google.com...
"Don Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> wrote in message
news:<v_amd.618$Su4.6320@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>...
"Bob G" <bobjames27@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041115163539.05986.00000447@mb-m19.aol.com...
Someone referred to him as a "Reagan would-be assassin".
But that strikes me as awkward, since he no longer is a "would-be",
being
currently incarcerated and unable, but is rather a "might-have-been"
assassin,
or "could-have-been", or "wanted-to-be".
No. (In other words) the court convicted him
of a deliberate (would-be) attempt at murder
(assassination.) Rightly or wrongly, he will
carry burden of that conviction as long as he
lives, i.e. will rightly be called a would-be assassin.
Actually, Hinckley was never convicted. He was found not guilty by
reason of insanity. As a corollary, this would mean that the court
determined he could not have formed the mental state needed to attempt
murder. This underlies the current (the most recent of many) dispute
over "limited conditional release": his doctors and family claim he is
rehabilitated, but a D.C. judge has to approve, and understandably
enough, no judge is eager to grant him much of a long leash.
If he'd stood trial for attempted murder, he'd probably be free and clear by
now.
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Or dead... He was one sick puppy when he was sent to St. Elizabeth's,
tried to commit suicide at least once and menaced some of the staff
for years. I suspect the folks at Lorton would have been more obliging
in allowing him to do himself in, or he would have p***ed off the
wrong person and suffered a fatal slip-and-fall.
--
Chris Green |
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