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KENNETH WILLIAMS
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:01 pm
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"JF" <jf@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <2vpv55F2ld21cU1@uni-berlin.de>, KENNETH WILLIAMS
CHUMB@CHUBOO.ORG> writes
Well to be fair I've got a laugh out of some of your abrasive satire but
you
seem hell bent on silly and offensive nonsense like denying the organized
murder of jews in the concentration camps during the second world war. It
makes you look a real cunt.
Fine rhetoric from someone who can't even be bothered to dignify Jews
with an uppercase 'J'.
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My Lord, this is ROBBIE; as you know I was a beneficiary of a rubbishy
comprehensive education and have been recovering from it for many years. I
still make errors. My mistake above is far smaller than Honest Aryan's
though..
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:00 pm
Post subject: Re: PC/English translator - 2nd. edition |
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Linker3000 wrote:
| Quote: | Maybe I could Introduce HA to a friend of my mothers - he's in his late
80s (poss even early 90s) now and was a commando during WWII - he spent
much of the War behind enemy lines and was one of the first UK soldiers
into several of the camps.
He's an amazing guy - still jogs almost every morning and his mind's as
sharp as a pin.
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Good. Then he'll have no difficulty recalling
what he did to help stop the doings of the Red Army
- or did he merely 'obey orders' and not notice?
****************************WARNING***************************
THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONY IS *NOT* FOR THE SQUEAMISH
**************************************************************
"On the morning of February 16 [1945] a Russian division
occupied the Reich Labour Service camp of Vilmsee in
Neustettin. The Commissar, who spoke German well,
informed me that the camp was dissolved and that, as we
were a uniformed unit, we were to be transported
immediately to a collecting camp.
Since I, being a Brazilian, belonged to a nation on
friendly terms with the Allies, he entrusted me with
the leadership of the transport which went to Neustettin,
into the yard of what used to be an iron foundry. We
were some 500 girls from the Women's Reich Labour
Service.
The Commissar was very polite to us and assigned us to
the foreign workers' barracks of the factory. But the
allocated space was too small for 11 of us, and so I
went to speak to the Commissar about it.
He said that it was, after all, only a temporary
arrangement, and offered that I could come to the
typists' office if it was too crowded for me, which I
gladly accepted. He immediately warned me to avoid any
further contact with the others, as those were members
of an illegal army. My protests that this was not true
were cut off with the remark that if I ever said
anything like that ever again, I would be shot.
Suddenly I heard loud screams, and immediately two Red
Army soldiers brought in five girls. The commissar
ordered them to undress. When they refused out of
modesty, he ordered me to do it to them, and for all
of us to follow him.
We crossed the yard to the former works kitchen, which
had been completely cleared out except for a few tables
on the window side. It was terribly cold, and the poor
girls shivered. In the large, tiled room some Russians
were waiting for us, making remarks that must have
been very obscene, judging from how everything they
said drew gales of laughter.
The Commissar told me to watch and learn how to turn the
Master Race into whimpering bits of misery. Now two Poles
came in, dressed only in trousers, and the girls cried
out at their sight. They quickly grabbed the first of
the girls, and bent her backwards over the edge of the
table until her joints cracked. I was close to passing
out as one of them took his knife and, before the very
eyes of the other girls, cut off her right breast. He
paused for a moment, then cut off the other side.
I have never-heard anyone scream as desperately as that
girl. After this operation he drove his knife into her
abdomen several times, which again was accompanied by
the cheers of the Russians.
The next girl cried for mercy, but in vain, it even
seemed that the gruesome deed was done particularly
slowly because she was especially pretty. The other
three had collapsed, they cried for their mothers and
begged for a quick death, but the same fate awaited
them as well.
The last of them was still almost a child, with barely
developed breasts. They literally tore the flesh off her
ribs until the white bones showed.
Another five girls were brought in. They had been
carefully chosen this time. All of them were
well-developed and pretty. When they saw the bodies of
their predecessors they began to cry and scream.
Weakly, they tried desperately to defend themselves,
but it did them no good as the Poles grew ever more
cruel.
They sliced the body of one of them open lengthwise
and poured in a can of machine oil, which they tried
to light. A Russian shot one of the other girls in the
genitals before they cut off her breasts.
Loud howls of approval began when someone brought a
saw from a tool chest. This was used to tear off the
breasts of the other girls, which soon caused the floor
to be awash in blood. The Russians were in a blood frenzy.
More girls were being brought in continually. I saw
these grisly proceedings as through a red haze. Over
and over again I heard the terrible screams when the
breasts were tortured, and the loud groans at the
mutilation of the genitals.
When my knees buckled I was forced onto a chair. The
Commissar always made sure that I was watching, and
when I had to throw up they even paused in their
tortures.
One girl had not undressed completely, she may also
have been a little older than the others, who were
around seventeen years of age. They soaked her bra
with oil and set it on fire, and while she screamed, a
thin iron rod was shoved into her vagina until it came
out her navel.
In the yard entire groups of girls were clubbed to
death after the prettiest of them had been selected
for this torture. The air was filled with the death
cries of many hundreds of girls. But compared to what
happened in here, the beating to death outside was
almost humane.
It was a horrible fact that not one of the girls
mutilated here ever fainted. Each of them suffered
mutilation fully conscious. In their terror all of
them were alike in their pleading; it was always the
same, the begging for mercy, the high-pitched scream
when the breasts were cut and the groans when the
genitals were mutilated.
The slaughter was interrupted several times to sweep
the blood out of the room and to clear away the bodies.
That evening I succumbed to a severe case of nervous
fever. I do not remember anything from that point on
until I came to in a field hospital.
German troops had temporarily recaptured Neustettin,
thus liberating us. As I learned later, some 2,000 girls
who had been in RAD, BDM and other camps nearby were
murdered in the first three days of Russian occupation."
(signed) Mrs. Leonora Geier, nee Cavoa, German-Brazilian
citizen, born on October 22, 1925 in Sao Paulo,
Brazil. Before the expulsion she lived in Hirschberg,
Bahnstrasse 8 and was employed as typist in Camp
"Vilmsee" of the RAD.
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:00 pm
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"KENNETH WILLIAMS" wrote:
| Quote: | Well to be fair I've got a laugh out of some of your abrasive satire but you
seem hell bent on silly and offensive nonsense like denying the organized
murder of jews in the concentration camps during the second world war. It
makes you look a real cunt.
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???
I'm sorry. You'll have to "remind"
me of the particular post/s of mine you
have in mind, so we can take it from there.
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KENNETH WILLIAMS
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:01 pm
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"Honest Aryan" <ha@centralpets.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "KENNETH WILLIAMS" wrote:
Well to be fair I've got a laugh out of some of your abrasive satire but
you
seem hell bent on silly and offensive nonsense like denying the
organized
murder of jews in the concentration camps during the second world war.
It
makes you look a real cunt.
???
I'm sorry. You'll have to "remind"
me of the particular post/s of mine you
have in mind, so we can take it from there.
--
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http://users.bluecarrots.com/rbisto/BBC/BBC.html
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Yu've always given me the impression that you were a holocaust deny-er; you
certainly give the impression that you think the Final Solution was an idea
the the Jews cooked up to earn money out of somehow. |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:01 am
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KENNETH WILLIAMS wrote:
| Quote: | Yu've always given me the impression that you were a holocaust deny-er;
^^^^^^^ |
[COD11]
denier2 /dI"nVI@/
· n. a person who denies something.
[Follow-ups set to alt.usage.english; please modify your newsgroup list
to exclude those newsgroups in which you are not an active poster.
Gratuitous cross-posting is evil. Had I a clue which newgroup you
actually read, I would have changed the newsgroup list rather than
setting to followup-to header.] |
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KENNETH WILLIAMS
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:01 am
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"Martin Ambuhl" <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | KENNETH WILLIAMS wrote:
Yu've always given me the impression that you were a holocaust deny-er;
^^^^^^^
[COD11]
denier2 /dI"nVI@/
· n. a person who denies something.
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Thank you- I wasn't sure about denier- tights and all that. |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:02 pm
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:10:00 -0500, Martin Ambuhl
<mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | KENNETH WILLIAMS wrote:
Yu've always given me the impression that you were a holocaust deny-er;
^^^^^^^
[COD11]
denier2 /dI"nVI@/
· n. a person who denies something.
[Follow-ups set to alt.usage.english; please modify your newsgroup list
to exclude those newsgroups in which you are not an active poster.
Gratuitous cross-posting is evil. Had I a clue which newgroup you
actually read, I would have changed the newsgroup list rather than
setting to followup-to header.]
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Looking at the groups KW posted to, I know I can safely add
alt.politics.nationalism.white to sci.lang in the list I use to combat
crossposting. By downloading new headers from these groups before
downloading the daily posts from AUE, Agent then marking all
crossposted posts as read, I relieve myself from reading a great deal
of blather. Once my list is perfected I'll be left only with the
no-goodniks of AUE to contend with, but there being far fewer of those
here than out There, Agent will have performed a very useful task even
before it applies the requisite individual filters.
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GMK
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:03 pm
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"Linker3000" <linker3000@youkaytwodotnetuk2.net> wrote in message
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Well to be fair I've got a laugh out of some of your abrasive satire but
you
seem hell bent on silly and offensive nonsense like denying the organized
murder of jews in the concentration camps during the second world war. It
makes you look a real cunt.
Holy cow - I agree with you for once!
Maybe I could Introduce HA to a friend of my mothers - he's in his late
80s (poss even early 90s) now and was a commando during WWII - he spent
much of the War behind enemy lines and was one of the first UK soldiers
into several of the camps.
He's an amazing guy - still jogs almost every morning and his mind's as
sharp as a pin.
L3K
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My wife's next door neighbour ,Mr Brocket,was one of the first of the
British troops into the camps and he hated the Germans till the day he
died,like wise a guy that works for me ,his dad was in tanks that entered
the camps and it haunted him till the day he died.
I KNOW these guys aren't making it up therefore it puts everything that HA
says about the systematic extermination of various ethnic groups into doubt
and therefore must make you wonder ,is he mental?
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GMK
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:04 pm
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"Honest Aryan" <ha@centralpets.com> wrote in message
news:2d7f3ef5.0411151024.70cd836a@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Linker3000 wrote:
Maybe I could Introduce HA to a friend of my mothers - he's in his late
80s (poss even early 90s) now and was a commando during WWII - he spent
much of the War behind enemy lines and was one of the first UK soldiers
into several of the camps.
He's an amazing guy - still jogs almost every morning and his mind's as
sharp as a pin.
Good. Then he'll have no difficulty recalling
what he did to help stop the doings of the Red Army
- or did he merely 'obey orders' and not notice?
****************************WARNING***************************
THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONY IS *NOT* FOR THE SQUEAMISH
**************************************************************
"On the morning of February 16 [1945] a Russian division
occupied the Reich Labour Service camp of Vilmsee in
Neustettin. The Commissar, who spoke German well,
informed me that the camp was dissolved and that, as we
were a uniformed unit, we were to be transported
immediately to a collecting camp.
Since I, being a Brazilian, belonged to a nation on
friendly terms with the Allies, he entrusted me with
the leadership of the transport which went to Neustettin,
into the yard of what used to be an iron foundry. We
were some 500 girls from the Women's Reich Labour
Service.
The Commissar was very polite to us and assigned us to
the foreign workers' barracks of the factory. But the
allocated space was too small for 11 of us, and so I
went to speak to the Commissar about it.
He said that it was, after all, only a temporary
arrangement, and offered that I could come to the
typists' office if it was too crowded for me, which I
gladly accepted. He immediately warned me to avoid any
further contact with the others, as those were members
of an illegal army. My protests that this was not true
were cut off with the remark that if I ever said
anything like that ever again, I would be shot.
Suddenly I heard loud screams, and immediately two Red
Army soldiers brought in five girls. The commissar
ordered them to undress. When they refused out of
modesty, he ordered me to do it to them, and for all
of us to follow him.
We crossed the yard to the former works kitchen, which
had been completely cleared out except for a few tables
on the window side. It was terribly cold, and the poor
girls shivered. In the large, tiled room some Russians
were waiting for us, making remarks that must have
been very obscene, judging from how everything they
said drew gales of laughter.
The Commissar told me to watch and learn how to turn the
Master Race into whimpering bits of misery. Now two Poles
came in, dressed only in trousers, and the girls cried
out at their sight. They quickly grabbed the first of
the girls, and bent her backwards over the edge of the
table until her joints cracked. I was close to passing
out as one of them took his knife and, before the very
eyes of the other girls, cut off her right breast. He
paused for a moment, then cut off the other side.
I have never-heard anyone scream as desperately as that
girl. After this operation he drove his knife into her
abdomen several times, which again was accompanied by
the cheers of the Russians.
The next girl cried for mercy, but in vain, it even
seemed that the gruesome deed was done particularly
slowly because she was especially pretty. The other
three had collapsed, they cried for their mothers and
begged for a quick death, but the same fate awaited
them as well.
The last of them was still almost a child, with barely
developed breasts. They literally tore the flesh off her
ribs until the white bones showed.
Another five girls were brought in. They had been
carefully chosen this time. All of them were
well-developed and pretty. When they saw the bodies of
their predecessors they began to cry and scream.
Weakly, they tried desperately to defend themselves,
but it did them no good as the Poles grew ever more
cruel.
They sliced the body of one of them open lengthwise
and poured in a can of machine oil, which they tried
to light. A Russian shot one of the other girls in the
genitals before they cut off her breasts.
Loud howls of approval began when someone brought a
saw from a tool chest. This was used to tear off the
breasts of the other girls, which soon caused the floor
to be awash in blood. The Russians were in a blood frenzy.
More girls were being brought in continually. I saw
these grisly proceedings as through a red haze. Over
and over again I heard the terrible screams when the
breasts were tortured, and the loud groans at the
mutilation of the genitals.
When my knees buckled I was forced onto a chair. The
Commissar always made sure that I was watching, and
when I had to throw up they even paused in their
tortures.
One girl had not undressed completely, she may also
have been a little older than the others, who were
around seventeen years of age. They soaked her bra
with oil and set it on fire, and while she screamed, a
thin iron rod was shoved into her vagina until it came
out her navel.
In the yard entire groups of girls were clubbed to
death after the prettiest of them had been selected
for this torture. The air was filled with the death
cries of many hundreds of girls. But compared to what
happened in here, the beating to death outside was
almost humane.
It was a horrible fact that not one of the girls
mutilated here ever fainted. Each of them suffered
mutilation fully conscious. In their terror all of
them were alike in their pleading; it was always the
same, the begging for mercy, the high-pitched scream
when the breasts were cut and the groans when the
genitals were mutilated.
The slaughter was interrupted several times to sweep
the blood out of the room and to clear away the bodies.
That evening I succumbed to a severe case of nervous
fever. I do not remember anything from that point on
until I came to in a field hospital.
German troops had temporarily recaptured Neustettin,
thus liberating us. As I learned later, some 2,000 girls
who had been in RAD, BDM and other camps nearby were
murdered in the first three days of Russian occupation."
(signed) Mrs. Leonora Geier, nee Cavoa, German-Brazilian
citizen, born on October 22, 1925 in Sao Paulo,
Brazil. Before the expulsion she lived in Hirschberg,
Bahnstrasse 8 and was employed as typist in Camp
"Vilmsee" of the RAD.
--
Whats your point,that because the Poles and Russians allegedly did this to
some poor lassies its ok to gas Jews,I don't really get it ?Did the
Germans exterminate 6 million Jews yes or fucking no and that makes my two
eye witnesses liars
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GMK
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:03 pm
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"Martin Ambuhl" <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | KENNETH WILLIAMS wrote:
Yu've always given me the impression that you were a holocaust deny-er;
^^^^^^^
[COD11]
denier2 /dI"nVI@/
· n. a person who denies something.
[Follow-ups set to alt.usage.english; please modify your newsgroup list to
exclude those newsgroups in which you are not an active poster. Gratuitous
cross-posting is evil.
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Evil? Hm I would suggest that is an inappropriate word to use
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:22 am
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"GMK" <planit1spam@btconnect.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Whats your point,that because the Poles and Russians allegedly did this to
some poor lassies its ok to gas Jews,I don't really get it ?Did the
Germans exterminate 6 million Jews yes or fucking no and that makes my two
eye witnesses liars
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The point is that your Just War leaves out
the rest of the 20th. century - the parts which
don't make the rest of us want to come all over
all Pink and Fuzzy about The Poor Jews:
"Immediately after the Revolution, many Jews were euphoric
over their high representation in the new government.
Lenin's first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish
origins. Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects
of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite
the Communists' vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it
spread rapidly after the Revolution - partly because of
the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration,
as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives
that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an
immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new
Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka, perhaps in subconscious
retaliation for the many years of suffering at the hands of the
Russian police. And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka
would be shot by Jewish investigators."
(Louis Rapaport, "Stalin's War Against the Jews",
New York: 1990, pp. 30-31).
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:25 am
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"GMK" <planit1spam@btconnect.com> wrote:
| Quote: | My wife's next door neighbour ,Mr Brocket,was one of the first of the
British troops into the camps and he hated the Germans till the day he
died,like wise a guy that works for me ,his dad was in tanks that entered
the camps and it haunted him till the day he died.
I KNOW these guys aren't making it up therefore it puts everything that HA
says about the systematic extermination of various ethnic groups into doubt
and therefore must make you wonder ,is he mental?
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Your hysterical over-reaction to
anything that gets in the way of your
Just War says it all, not my posts.
PC jingoism is as tight-assed as
any Edwardian blimp's. 'Home by
Christmas' ring any alarm bells?
http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/8609339.htm
"...Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction.
Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on
in Iraq. It is the best. It has to know; Israel's
survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would
have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if
there were any, or if they had been removed. With
Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The
answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel."
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:27 am
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"KENNETH WILLIAMS" <CHUMB@CHUBOO.ORG> wrote:
| Quote: | Yu've always given me the impression that you were a holocaust deny-er; you
certainly give the impression that you think the Final Solution was an idea
the the Jews cooked up to earn money out of somehow.
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There's no denying that kikes have turned
their $chmolocau$t into a nice little earner.
Too bad The Quest For Justice stops short
of *TURKISH* banks or The Poor Jews could
give some of the money to The Poor Kurds.
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:27 am
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"KENNETH WILLIAMS" <CHUMB@CHUBOO.ORG> wrote:
| Quote: | Yu've always given me the impression that you were a holocaust deny-er; you
certainly give the impression that you think the Final Solution was an idea
the the Jews cooked up to earn money out of somehow.
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There's no denying that kikes have turned
their $chmolocau$t into a nice little earner.
Too bad The Quest For Justice stops short
of *TURKISH* banks or The Poor Jews could
give some of the money to The Poor Kurds.
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Honest Aryan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:00 pm
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"Shithead" <someone@somewhere.not> wrote:
| Quote: | PLEASE do not feed the trolls (or racist, bigoted f***wits).
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That's why screens are fluorescent, so
you can read with your head up your ass:
"The Jews, I find are very, very selfish.
They care not how many Estonians, Latvians,
Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered
or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long
as the Jews get special treatment.
Yet when they have power, physical, financial or
political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything
on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."
(diary of Harry S. Truman, 21.07.2004)
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