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John Dean
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:07 pm Post subject: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/ "We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union..." -- John Dean Oxford

Maria Conlon
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

John Dean wrote:

Quote:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had
to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special
Union..." --

Someone trying to slap down the South, afraid it's going to rise again?

Maria Conlon

Don A. Gilmore
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cn27ia$59c$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...

Quote:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to
kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union..."

Wow, what a crybaby. His candidate didn't win, so now he's going to take
his ball and run home. "If those mean ol' guys hadn't kept the South from
seceding 140 years ago, we'd 'a' whipped them Republicans last week, by
god!"

Now I can see the reasoning behind the Electoral College: it's so that
California and New England don't decide all the elections due to their
population densities alone.

Don
Kansas City

Tony Cooper
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:40:53 -0600, "Don A. Gilmore"
<eromlignodNOSPM@kc.rr.com> wrote:

Quote:

"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cn27ia$59c$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to
kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union..."

Wow, what a crybaby. His candidate didn't win, so now he's going to take
his ball and run home.

If this type of humor makes you think the writer is a crybaby, avoid
watching comedians like Louis Black.

Don A. Gilmore
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:okcap0d9h3uhbcerl37jg8kjbjs8bq355m@4ax.com...

Quote:

If this type of humor makes you think the writer is a crybaby, avoid
watching comedians like Louis Black.

I suppose you think that this shrill harangue of whining profanity is
exquisitely pithy and droll. I think it's about as funny as the conspiracy
theorists that believe that it was impossible for George Bush to have won
the election without collusion.

Don't get me wrong. I voted for Bush, but I literally had not decided until
I stood in the voting booth. Had the Democrats scraped up a candidate of
even mediocre caliber, I would have loved to vote Bush out.

Don
Kansas City

Tony Cooper
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:36:15 -0600, "Don A. Gilmore"
<eromlignodNOSPM@kc.rr.com> wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, actually, I thought it was funny. "Pithy", though? A bit more
concise that one of Franke's ramblings, but the first descriptive word
that comes to my mind would not be "pithy". It wouldn't be "droll"
either. There's nothing whimsical or slightly quirky about it.

"Shrill" doesn't work for me. Women and male homosexuals tend to
shrillness, but this is written in an in-your-face style that's very
masculine. I don't like "whining" as a description of this, either.
It's more the anti-whine reply to those that do whine.

I'll go along with "harangue", though. Gotta give you something.

Frankly, I think you used too many adjectives and that you weren't
particularly selective about the ones you chose. You just whomped
down a whine of your own and used the first words that came to mind.

See? This is why it's almost impossible to be off-topic in aue. You
can look at anything written here as grist for the usage mill.

John Dean
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

Don A. Gilmore wrote:

Quote:

"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:okcap0d9h3uhbcerl37jg8kjbjs8bq355m@4ax.com...

If this type of humor makes you think the writer is a crybaby, avoid
watching comedians like Louis Black.

I suppose you think that this shrill harangue of whining profanity is
exquisitely pithy and droll. I think it's about as funny as the
conspiracy theorists that believe that it was impossible for George
Bush to have won the election without collusion.

Don't get me wrong. I voted for Bush, but I literally had not
decided until I stood in the voting booth. Had the Democrats scraped
up a candidate of even mediocre caliber, I would have loved to vote
Bush out.

And you only realised Kerry was worse than mediocre when you stood in

the booth?
--
John Dean
Oxford

Dena Jo
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

On 12 Nov 2004, John Dean posted thus:

Quote:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we
had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our
special Union..."

"And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying
to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a fucking swamp.
'Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole,' we said, but you had to
have your fucking orange juice."

--
Dena Jo

Email goes to denajo2 at the dot com variation of the Yahoo domain.
Have I confused you? Go here:
http://myweb.cableone.net/denajo/emailme.htm

CyberCypher
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

John Varela wrote on 13 Nov 2004:

Quote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:44:08 UTC, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we
had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our
special Union..."

Pardon me While I Gloat
by Dick Van Orden
[bullshit flushed]

There's nothing like countering one man's bitter shit with another
man's self-righteous bullshit.

This poor post was unworthy of you, Mr Varela, for two reasons. First,
it was unnecessary. A Web-link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1273024/posts

and the topic sentence would have sufficed. Second, all the Americans
here have all been avoiding rekindling any bitter partisan discussion
about the presidential election. It's sad to see that you had to out
yourself without comment beyond the publication of someone else's
offensive words. Publishing your own offensive words is excusable,
though.

Mr Dean's post is excusable because he's not an American and because
the link he posted leads to an essay so tasteless that it is funny,
while the bullshit you published represents the best of its genre and a
reasonable representation of how high-ranking military officers like
RADM Van Orden (Ret.) think and feel. Scary to see that these people
are still in the "nyah-nyah" stage.

--
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
For email, replace numbers with English alphabet.

John Varela
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:44:08 UTC, "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net>
wrote:

Quote:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to
kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union..."

And your reason for posting this is...

--
John Varela
(Trade "OLD" lamps for "NEW" for email.)
I apologize for munging the address but the spam was too much.

John Varela
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:44:08 UTC, "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net>
wrote:

Quote:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to
kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union..."

Pardon me While I Gloat
by Dick Van Orden

I am not normally a cheerful loser or a gracious
winner. Whether its tiddly-winks or war at sea, I want to win,
win, win! In fact, I hate to lose and when I win I sometimes
want to rub the loser's nose in his defeat. After a sleepless
night I feel just rotten enough that the past six months of lies
and innuendos from the Kerry camp have it all come home to make
me more vindictive than usual. As a result, I want to gloat.

Here's why:

I am happy that the sound common sense of a majority
of America's voters resulted in a solid victory for a true
patriot-and in the humiliating defeat of a lying traitor. There
was no doubt in my mind that Bush's truthfulness and
forthrightness would prevail against the lies and half-truths of
Kerry and his supporters, and I am pleased that a majority of
good folks saw the light and pushed the Bush/Cheney button for
justice and for increasing support for the nation's bright
future.

I am pleased that the left-leaning media--newspapers,
radio, TV and newsmagazines--got their bell rung, but good. Now
we are assured that these self-appointed "opinion makers" cannot
pull the wool over the eyes of most of us, no matter how hard
they twist the facts. Their early reporting of the "leaked"
fraudulent exit polls, and their sponsorship of other badly
skewed voter polls were designed to mislead voters, in which
they failed-miserably. And Dan Rather deserves a special place
in hell.

I am delighted that the fat, disgusting a-hole,
Michael Moore did not achieve the success that he wished for and
that he was repulsed by so many intelligent Americans. May his
soul burn in hell.

I hope the Hollywood friends of Michael
Moore--especially Barbara Streisand, Whoopi Goldberg, P-Diddler,
and their friends--are roasting in the hell of their own making.
It seems to me that they all offered to depart the U.S. if Bush
won the first time, which they did not do. The time is now
doubly ripe for their exit.

I am blissful that all the treasure and invective of
George Soros devoted to defeating George Bush went for naught.
I only wish for a financial future of similar poor decisions by
Soros; I want to see him as bankrupt in bank account as he is in
patriotism.

I find it particularly satisfying that the high
ranking military suck-ups whose lack of integrity led them to
desert their commander-in-chief and follow a lying cheat, even
though they knew, or should have known, that his dismissal from
the Navy was "less than honorable," as detailed in the military
record that he refused to release. It is sad that such Navy
types as Bill Crowe, Stan Turner, and even Jimmy Carter would be
in that group. It is obvious that their motivation was the hope
of a cushy job when their new-found knight in shining armor
moved into the White House. Even their strategy was flawed, for
Kerry is, and always has been, anti-military; he only used his
military service--and those military "advisors"--for personal
political gain. He would never have offered that cushy job,
once he had used them, just as he never voted for the needed
armament that they and their shipmates and their Marine Corps,
Army, and Air Force brothers-in-arms needed so badly.

I am thrilled that the whiners who have complained
bitterly about the "stolen" 2000 Presidential election must
leave that fallacy in the past and now try to find something
else to whine about--maybe they can even develop a fantasy that
the four million vote plurality was a miscount, and continue
their whining as they slink away into their caves.

It pleases me that Kofi Annan and the other United
Nations sycophants failed miserably when they tried so hard to
influence this election to ensure that a more pliable President
Kerry would be elected. I hope they will now realize that
either they clean up the bureaucratic, corrupt, do-nothing UN,
or they will be short of funds when the Bush-led US decreases--or
ends--its support.

I am overjoyed at the failure of Osama bin Laden's
carefully timed video of invective against the US and its
President in hopes of using Islamic scare tactics on the
American people. Bin Laden's aim was to entice our voters to
elect a new President who will not be as robust in his pursuit
of terrorists and more willing to "negotiate" with Islamic
Fundamentalists. He did not understand that Americans are not
so panicky as the French, fearful as the Spanish, or unthinking
as the English. (As for the Germans, they should know better;
we have defeated them in battle often enough to convince them of
the rightness of our ways.) I hope Osama dies in a blast from a
bunker-buster before he gets a chance to make another video or
another attack on our nation.

The blatant attempts of European nations and the EU
to cause our President discomfort in his efforts to bring peace
to the world make me glad that they are so disappointed with the
election results. My joy is unbounded at the chagrin of the
French and German and other anti-Bush, anti-American nations
(including the people of the UK--but not their loyal and faithful
government led by Prime Minister Tony Blair). Now let those
U.S.-sheltered Europeans worry about the end of American
financial and military assistance when they have problems. Let
them beg for American military aid and other handouts that have
helped to sustain their economies. And let them perish in their
own sweat when we remove out troops from Germany, the Balkans,
and other trouble spots where we have pulled their chestnuts out
of the fire.

I relish the hope that Islamic fundamentalists will
now understand the election result as a blow from which they
cannot recover. It fills me with joy that their dreams of world
domination will be shattered by Bush's and the American nation's
resolve to see them defeated and sent to join their
Allah-without the 72 virgins waiting for them.

It pleases me more than I can say that the Senate
Minority Leader, Thomas Daschle lost his seat. As the leading
obstructionist for the Democrat party, he was primarily
responsible for withholding approval of many Bush appointments
to Federal judgeships, high-level positions, and other necessary
personnel. Good riddance.

The demise of the junk-yard dog, loudmouth James
Carville, also brings me great happiness. That happiness is
further enhanced by the victory of the first Republican to win a
Senate seat in Louisiana, Carville's home state.

I am delighted with the success of John O'Neil and
his Swift Boat Vets--and with those thousands of non-Swifties who
joined with them--on their forthright revelation of the truth of
Kerry's service in Vietnam. They took a truthful but difficult
position and made an impact--good and honorable Navy men all.
Bush gets gentlemanly credit for not using them and their data
in his campaign to demean Kerry, but the word was out that they
spoke the truth. I maintain that they were the MVPs of this
election; their testimony turned the tide against Kerry, and he
never recovered.

And, finally, I must express my unbounded
gratification at the defeat of Senator Kerry, a worthless
Senator, anti-military extremist, lying self-promoter, and
former Naval officer who disgraced us all. His traitorous
collusion with the enemy is second only to that of Jane Fonda.
He should have been court-martialed for giving aid and comfort
to the enemy in time of war. His dishonorable quest for medals
and a quick return to the US, where he turned against his
shipmates and lied about their actions resulted in a less than
honorable separation from the Navy. Jimmy Carter's amnesty
allowed him to file for, and get, an honorable discharge 18
years after he left the service. He should have received a
court martial.

While my thoughts may seem to be mean-spirited, do
not be confused--they really are mean-spirited, as I mean them to
be. I have suffered the tortures of the damned over the past
year as I heard and read the lies and nasty remarks from
politicians, citizens, and media "experts" about our President.
I have barely tolerated the feeble but divisive attempts of
foreign and domestic peaceniks to build a case against our war
on the Islamic fundamentalists, who use terrorism as a weapon
against us in order to intimidate out citizens and drive some of
our gutless politicians to seek "negotiations" to avoid
"confrontations" with those who seek to kill our citizens.

Most of all, I have seethed with anger at those who
shamefully derided our military, blissfully reporting on their
failures and neglecting their successes. They triumphantly
celebrated our difficulties by running daily body counts of our
own heroic men killed in battle with the enemy, even publishing
their pictures in papers and on TV as if to mock the President
who sent them to defend our nation. I have only disgust for
such tactics. And those are the very same people who now plead
for "united actions" in the House and Senate, now that they are
in a steadily declining minority. I would advise our President
to "watch your six" because these are really enemies and they
are not to be trusted.

Four more years! How sweet it is!

--
John Varela
(Trade "OLD" lamps for "NEW" for email.)
I apologize for munging the address but the spam was too much.

Skitt
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

John Varela wrote:

Quote:

Pardon me While I Gloat
by Dick Van Orden

<snip>

Good grief!
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/

Tony Cooper
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 02:51:56 GMT, "John Varela"
<OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:44:08 UTC, "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net
wrote:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

"We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to
kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union..."

Pardon me While I Gloat
by Dick Van Orden

I don't think anyone's going to think this one is pithy.

Reinhold (Rey) Aman
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

CyberCypher wrote:

Quote:

John Varela wrote on 13 Nov 2004:

[...]

Quote:

Pardon me While I Gloat
by Dick Van Orden

[bullshit flushed]

One man's bullshit is another man's facts.

--
Reinhold (Rey) Aman

CyberCypher
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Where there is discord, may we bring harmony

Reinhold (Rey) Aman wrote on 13 Nov 2004:

Quote:

CyberCypher wrote:

John Varela wrote on 13 Nov 2004:

[...]

Pardon me While I Gloat
by Dick Van Orden

[bullshit flushed]

One man's bullshit is another man's facts.

There were interesting facts in the first essay, but only personal
opinion in the second. Oh, okay, there were a couple of interesting
facts, but that doesn't change the nyah-nayh quality of Van Orden's
bullshit. And the egregiousness of his prose cannot match
"fuckthesouth"'s on any level.

Anyway, the point here is that we don't need to get involved in any
partisan crap. The election's over, for whatever it was worth --- and
it wasn't worth much, but that's not because of who won but of who
ran --- and now we need to sit back and see what happens because Bush
won. The consequences of his victory will, I trust, be sufficiently
unrelated to the infantilism of people like Van Orden and more
related to the success of failure of this month's assault on Falluja,
January's elections in Iraq, a reinitiation of serious peace talks
between the Israelis and the PA, a quenching of the nuclear threat in
North Korea, a stanching of the current haemorrhaging of US political
capital in the civilized and uncivilized world, an elimination of the
need for millions of Americans to go to bed hungry, a serious
decrease in the number of Americans without health insurance, an
increase in the number of in-the-USA jobs that pay more than the
minimum wage, a serious decrease in the economic gap between the
plutocrats and the working poor, a serious reform of campaign
financing laws, a serious overhaul of the IRS and its bias towards
the rich, an elimination of the tax-free status of religious
organizations that engage in politics either overtly or covertly and
that own more land than is necessary to provide space for their
temples, churches, mosques, and clerical dormitories.

Well, I could go on, but what's the point? None of these things will
come to pass under Bush, and none would have come to pass under Kerry
either. The US is indeed in many ways a fucked country, as somebody
mentioned here or somewhere else recently.

--
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
For email, replace numbers with English alphabet.

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