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Michael J Hardy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:44 am
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What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:47 am
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On 11 Nov 2004, Michael J Hardy wrote
| Quote: | What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
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In my accent, the vowels in "feet" and the first syllable of "mirror"
are the same. I suspect the geographic distribution is similar to one
or both of MIMIM and CIC.
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Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years;
Southern England for the past 22 years.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van) |
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Dylan Nicholson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:48 am
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"Michael J Hardy" <mjhardy@mit.edu> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
I would say "ee" is certainly the norm in Australia. |
Askoxford.com also gives that, so I would imagine it's standard
in the UK too.
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:49 am
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Michael J Hardy wrote:
| Quote: | What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
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I haven't heard anyone say it with the "hit" vowel, but that does not mean
much. Maybe I have heard it in rapid speech.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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Dylan Nicholson wrote:
| Quote: | "Michael J Hardy" <mjhardy@mit.edu> wrote in message
news:4193eb40$0$561$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
I would say "ee" is certainly the norm in Australia.
Askoxford.com also gives that, so I would imagine it's standard
in the UK too.
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I don't think I've ever heard anybody say "zirro" in my life.
Mike. |
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Freddy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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"Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2vi8j1F2c4gfbU1@uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | Michael J Hardy wrote:
What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
I haven't heard anyone say it with the "hit" vowel, but that does not mean
much. Maybe I have heard it in rapid speech.
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Ditto. In this part of the world the first vowel is pronounced as ear.
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Michael J Hardy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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Freddy (ant@paradise.net.nz) wrote:
| Quote: | "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2vi8j1F2c4gfbU1@uni-berlin.de...
Michael J Hardy wrote:
What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
I haven't heard anyone say it with the "hit" vowel, but that does
not mean much. Maybe I have heard it in rapid speech.
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Ditto. In this part of the world the first vowel is pronounced
as ear.
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I also pronounce the first syllable of "zero" to rhyme with "ear",
and that means that I do NOT say "zee-ro", i.e., I do NOT pronounce
it like "feet". But now I see people saying they pronounce it as
in "ear" when what they mean seems to be that they DO pronounce it
as in "feet".
Actually me "mirror", "ear", and "zero" seems to me to be about
half way between "feet" and "fit". -- Mike Hardy |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:06 am
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Michael J Hardy wrote:
| Quote: | Freddy wrote:
"Skitt" wrote
Michael J Hardy wrote:
What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
I haven't heard anyone say it with the "hit" vowel, but that does
not mean much. Maybe I have heard it in rapid speech.
Ditto. In this part of the world the first vowel is pronounced
as ear.
I also pronounce the first syllable of "zero" to rhyme with "ear",
and that means that I do NOT say "zee-ro", i.e., I do NOT pronounce
it like "feet". But now I see people saying they pronounce it as
in "ear" when what they mean seems to be that they DO pronounce it
as in "feet".
Actually me "mirror", "ear", and "zero" seems to me to be about
half way between "feet" and "fit". -- Mike Hardy
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It's the "r" that makes a difference, but my "mirror" has a shorter vowel
than that in "ear" and "zero".
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Joe Fineman
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:07 am
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mjhardy@mit.edu (Michael J Hardy) writes:
| Quote: | What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation, which
makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the vowel in
"feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing it with the
vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror", which I expect
Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as the short "i" in "fit".
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I think of "zee-ro" as telephone talk, like "fo-wer" and "sev-ven".
When I am not dictating, my usage agrees with yours.
However, there may be people who routinely break words with a primary
followed by a secondary stress into distinct syllables, so that if the
second syllable begins with r, it does not color the preceding vowel.
I have heard "hee-ro" and "tow-roid". I suspect everybody does that
if the word is a compound like "hayride".
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:07 am
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Joe Fineman wrote:
| Quote: | I think of "zee-ro" as telephone talk, like "fo-wer" and "sev-ven".
When I am not dictating, my usage agrees with yours.
However, there may be people who routinely break words with a primary
followed by a secondary stress into distinct syllables, so that if the
second syllable begins with r, it does not color the preceding vowel.
I have heard "hee-ro" and "tow-roid". I suspect everybody does that
if the word is a compound like "hayride".
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I give. What is "tow-roid"? I'm drawing a blank.
Maria Conlon |
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Dylan Nicholson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:07 am
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"Maria Conlon" <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Joe Fineman wrote:
I think of "zee-ro" as telephone talk, like "fo-wer" and "sev-ven".
When I am not dictating, my usage agrees with yours.
However, there may be people who routinely break words with a primary
followed by a secondary stress into distinct syllables, so that if the
second syllable begins with r, it does not color the preceding vowel.
I have heard "hee-ro" and "tow-roid". I suspect everybody does that
if the word is a compound like "hayride".
I give. What is "tow-roid"? I'm drawing a blank.
Shaped like a tower, I would guess. |
Or perhaps vaguely resembling a bull. |
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Jeff Urs
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:07 am
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"Maria Conlon" <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | I give. What is "tow-roid"? I'm drawing a blank.
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Presumably the word is "toroid", a doughnut shape.
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Dylan Nicholson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:07 am
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"Jeff Urs" <stalky@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Maria Conlon" <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> writes:
I give. What is "tow-roid"? I'm drawing a blank.
Presumably the word is "toroid", a doughnut shape.
Which I've never heard pronounced tow-roid, or indeed, ever had occasion |
(that I can recall) to use while on the telephone. |
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Peter Moylan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:25 pm
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Dylan Nicholson biped:
| Quote: | "Michael J Hardy" <mjhardy@mit.edu> wrote in message
news:4193eb40$0$561$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
I would say "ee" is certainly the norm in Australia.
Askoxford.com also gives that, so I would imagine it's standard
in the UK too.
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I was going to agree with you, but then I became very confused
about what "ee" means. After a bit of mumbling to myself I discovered
that I pronounce "zero" with the pure /i/, which is the sound that
I _thought_ was in "feet"; but that my "feet" is somewhere in the
region between [fit] and [fV"It].
Anyway, none of those sounds is much like the one in "mirror",
which I suppose is the important thing. Correction: like the one
in an Australian mirror. In some parts of the US "mirror" is
a one-syllable word, which only adds to the confusion.
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Peter Moylan peter at ee dot newcastle dot edu dot au
http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au (OS/2 and eCS information and software) |
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Areff
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:15 pm
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Michael J Hardy wrote:
| Quote: | What is the geographic distribution of this pronunciation,
which makes the vowel in the first syllable sound like the
vowel in "feet"? I've always been accustomed to pronouncing
it with the vowel heard in the first syllable of "mirror",
which I expect Richard Fontana would tell me is the same as
the short "i" in "fit". -- Mike Hardy
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I don't pronounce "zero" in either of those ways. I use the "near" vowel.
It may be a matter of syllable division: /zir oU/, whereas "zee-row"
would be /zi roU/.
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