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Bartek
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:50 pm
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These sentences containing words beginning with "over" are for ESL
practice only. How do you like them? Can you find any mistakes in
grammar and/or meaning? Thanks in advance for all your valuable opinion!
bests, Mike.
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1. It’s sometimes easy to overlook mistakes while overthrowing the king,
so don’t overreact.
2. The branches overhung an old fountain overflowing with water, the
garden was much overgrown and the house needed some major overhauling.
3. Being on time is of overriding importance to us, so try to overtake
the bus without overturning the car on this country road.
4. I used to travel overland, but now that I’ve overcome my fear of
flying I am not afraid to take the overnight flight through the overcast
sky!
5. We have plenty of overtime this year, but don’t overestimate our
drugs-overdosing boss, he will take no notice of that.
6. If you oversleep on an overseas tour, wear an overcoat over your
overalls.
7. I was so overcome that I could hardly speak, and then I felt
overtaken by exhaustion.
8. If you overdo the salt on an overdone meat, your guests will surely
not overeat.
9. The house was overcrowded and my father overbearing, but overall,
things looked good.
10. I always oversimplify matters when I experience the overpowering
feeling of hopelessness.
11. I am much overworked and still I have to write an overview of the
history of this region!
12. She felt an overwhelming urge to cry - her long overdue baby was a
few pounds overweight.
13. The overall cost of the project is $500 and Jack is overseeing it,
so there will be no oversights.
14. Don’t go overboard and overload the electrical system.
15. I would be much overjoyed if I could crash at your place overnight.
16. The restaurant was much overrated, and we were overcharged for the wine.
17. Last week I overheard a conversation about the Congress overriding
the President’s veto on the war issue, and now I can see planes flying
overhead.
18. The meeting overran by half an hour and finally the previous ruling
was overturned.
19. The town is overran by rats, so don’t worry now about my
jurisdiction overlaping with yours.
20. Look, overleaf it says to take the overpass!
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CB
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:51 pm
Post subject: Re: "over" phrases |
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"Bartek" <b_nowicki@op.pl> wrote in message
news:chk3p5$e4j$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
| Quote: | These sentences containing words beginning with "over" are for ESL
practice only. How do you like them? Can you find any mistakes in
grammar and/or meaning? Thanks in advance for all your valuable opinion!
bests, Mike.
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1. It's sometimes easy to overlook mistakes while overthrowing the king,
so don't overreact.
2. The branches overhung an old fountain overflowing with water, the
garden was much overgrown and the house needed some major overhauling.
3. Being on time is of overriding importance to us, so try to overtake
the bus without overturning the car on this country road.
4. I used to travel overland, but now that I've overcome my fear of
flying I am not afraid to take the overnight flight through the overcast
sky!
5. We have plenty of overtime this year, but don't overestimate our
drugs-overdosing boss, he will take no notice of that.
6. If you oversleep on an overseas tour, wear an overcoat over your
overalls.
7. I was so overcome that I could hardly speak, and then I felt
overtaken by exhaustion.
8. If you overdo the salt on an overdone meat, your guests will surely
not overeat.
9. The house was overcrowded and my father overbearing, but overall,
things looked good.
10. I always oversimplify matters when I experience the overpowering
feeling of hopelessness.
11. I am much overworked and still I have to write an overview of the
history of this region!
12. She felt an overwhelming urge to cry - her long overdue baby was a
few pounds overweight.
13. The overall cost of the project is $500 and Jack is overseeing it,
so there will be no oversights.
14. Don't go overboard and overload the electrical system.
15. I would be much overjoyed if I could crash at your place overnight.
16. The restaurant was much overrated, and we were overcharged for the
wine.
17. Last week I overheard a conversation about the Congress overriding
the President's veto on the war issue, and now I can see planes flying
overhead.
18. The meeting overran by half an hour and finally the previous ruling
was overturned.
19. The town is overran by rats, so don't worry now about my
jurisdiction overlaping with yours.
20. Look, overleaf it says to take the overpass!
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2. "...needed a major overhaul."
5. I think "overdosing" is only a gerund.
8. "meat" is better as a mass noun in this context.
15. "I would be overjoyed...".
18. I think "overran" needs a direct object.
19. "is overrun". |
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:58 pm
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"Bartek" <b_nowicki@op.pl> wrote in message
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| Quote: | These sentences containing words beginning with "over" are for ESL
practice only. How do you like them? Can you find any mistakes in
grammar and/or meaning? Thanks in advance for all your valuable opinion!
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A modern linguist (e.g. Stephen Pinker, author of Words and Rules:
the Ingredients of Language (1999) might say you have things
backwards. The prefiix OVER is not a genuine linguistic category
-- because language is Words and Rules and a prefix is neither
a word nor a rule; and its various functions are not governed
by any rule s much as by what people want to say.
E.g. English includes such words as overstate and overthrow,
which both have the same (or at least similar) prefix. But
no rule of either grammar or meaning links these two words.
(So I doubt a set of such words will benefit the ESL student.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
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Alan Jones
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:36 pm
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"CB" <bellecd@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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"Bartek" <b_nowicki@op.pl> wrote in message
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| Quote: | 18. The meeting overran by half an hour and finally the previous ruling
was overturned.
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18. I think "overran" needs a direct object.
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Sentence 18 seems correct to me, and would be commonplace in BrE. Would you
(CB) prefer "The meeting overran its allotted time ..."? That also seems
fine in BrE.
Alan Jones. |
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Margot
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:45 am
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Bartek wrote:
| Quote: | These sentences containing words beginning with "over" are for ESL
practice only. How do you like them? Can you find any mistakes in
grammar and/or meaning? Thanks in advance for all your valuable opinion!
bests, Mike.
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19. The town is overran by rats, so don’t worry now about my
jurisdiction overlaping with yours.
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Should be "overrun" & "overlapping". |
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meirman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:57 am
Post subject: Re: "over" phrases |
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In alt.english.usage on Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:58:51 -0400 "Don
Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> posted:
| Quote: | "Bartek" <b_nowicki@op.pl> wrote in message
news:chk3p5$e4j$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
These sentences containing words beginning with "over" are for ESL
practice only. How do you like them? Can you find any mistakes in
grammar and/or meaning? Thanks in advance for all your valuable opinion!
A modern linguist (e.g. Stephen Pinker, author of Words and Rules:
the Ingredients of Language (1999) might say you have things
backwards. The prefiix OVER is not a genuine linguistic category
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But he doesn't say it is a category (although I guess the mere use of
these words in one place makes it a category), or a linguistic
category, or a genuine one.
I think it would pay to look at lists of similar words, whatever their
similarity is. Some words may end up in several lists, because they
share different things with other sets of words.
This particular exercise seems pretty easy to me, since few of these
words that start with over- have any special problems. In fact it is
often the other half of the word that we've corrected here.
But the point could be to introduce them to many words that start with
over-, or if they know the words, to have an easy exercise for once
that will solidify their knowledge of these words.
English is my first language, but learning several others to one
degree or another, I rarely if ever found a set of sentences like this
that wasn't worth going through at least once. The goal is to know
the material inside and outside, top and bottom, every which way and
back.
| Quote: | -- because language is Words and Rules and a prefix is neither
a word nor a rule; and its various functions are not governed
by any rule s much as by what people want to say.
E.g. English includes such words as overstate and overthrow,
which both have the same (or at least similar) prefix. But
no rule of either grammar or meaning links these two words.
(So I doubt a set of such words will benefit the ESL student.)
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s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years |
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meirman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:02 am
Post subject: Re: "over" phrases |
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In alt.english.usage on Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:50:36 +0200 Bartek
<b_nowicki@op.pl> posted:
| Quote: | These sentences containing words beginning with "over" are for ESL
practice only. How do you like them? Can you find any mistakes in
grammar and/or meaning? Thanks in advance for all your valuable opinion!
bests, Mike.
-----------------------------------------------------------
1. It’s sometimes easy to overlook mistakes while overthrowing the king,
so don’t overreact.
2. The branches overhung an old fountain overflowing with water, the
garden was much overgrown and the house needed some major overhauling.
3. Being on time is of overriding importance to us, so try to overtake
the bus without overturning the car on this country road.
4. I used to travel overland, but now that I’ve overcome my fear of
flying I am not afraid to take the overnight flight through the overcast
sky!
5. We have plenty of overtime this year, but don’t overestimate our
drugs-overdosing boss, he will take no notice of that.
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drug-overdosing. It's derived from the noun phrase "drug overdose",
not the verb phrase "overdose on drugs".
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6. If you oversleep on an overseas tour, wear an overcoat over your
overalls.
7. I was so overcome that I could hardly speak, and then I felt
overtaken by exhaustion.
8. If you overdo the salt on an overdone meat, your guests will surely
not overeat.
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No "an". If you use "an", you have to say overdone piece of meat.
| Quote: | 9. The house was overcrowded and my father overbearing, but overall,
things looked good.
10. I always oversimplify matters when I experience the overpowering
feeling of hopelessness.
11. I am much overworked and still I have to write an overview of the
history of this region!
12. She felt an overwhelming urge to cry - her long overdue baby was a
few pounds overweight.
13. The overall cost of the project is $500 and Jack is overseeing it,
so there will be no oversights.
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This one is fine, but worth noting that if Jack is providing
oversight, and there will be no oversigghts, there won't be a single
oversight, the first occurrence of the word meanss the opposite of the
remaining two!
| Quote: | 14. Don’t go overboard and overload the electrical system.
15. I would be much overjoyed if I could crash at your place overnight.
16. The restaurant was much overrated, and we were overcharged for the wine.
17. Last week I overheard a conversation about the Congress overriding
the President’s veto on the war issue, and now I can see planes flying
overhead.
18. The meeting overran by half an hour and finally the previous ruling
was overturned.
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I don't know, maybe overran is fine, but most people in the US would
say "ran over".
| Quote: | 19. The town is overran by rats, so don’t worry now about my
jurisdiction overlaping with yours.
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Overrun.
| Quote: | 20. Look, overleaf it says to take the overpass!
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What's overleaf?
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years |
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Odysseus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:47 am
Post subject: Re: "over" phrases |
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meirman wrote:
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In alt.english.usage on Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:50:36 +0200 Bartek
b_nowicki@op.pl> posted:
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[snip]
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20. Look, overleaf it says to take the overpass!
What's overleaf?
Nothing: my CRT doesn't have a _verso_ side, and I doubt yours has |
one either.
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Odysseus |
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Bartek
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:33 pm
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:58:51 -0400 "Don
Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> posted:
"Bartek" <b_nowicki@op.pl> wrote in message
news:chk3p5$e4j$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
These sentences containing words beginning with "over" are for ESL
practice only. How do you like them? Can you find any mistakes in
grammar and/or meaning? Thanks in advance for all your valuable opinion!
A modern linguist (e.g. Stephen Pinker, author of Words and Rules:
the Ingredients of Language (1999) might say you have things
backwards. The prefiix OVER is not a genuine linguistic category
But he doesn't say it is a category (although I guess the mere use of
these words in one place makes it a category), or a linguistic
category, or a genuine one.
I think it would pay to look at lists of similar words, whatever their
similarity is. Some words may end up in several lists, because they
share different things with other sets of words.
This particular exercise seems pretty easy to me, since few of these
words that start with over- have any special problems. In fact it is
often the other half of the word that we've corrected here.
But the point could be to introduce them to many words that start with
over-, or if they know the words, to have an easy exercise for once
that will solidify their knowledge of these words.
English is my first language, but learning several others to one
degree or another, I rarely if ever found a set of sentences like this
that wasn't worth going through at least once. The goal is to know
the material inside and outside, top and bottom, every which way and
back.
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To Don: Mairman read my mind on this one. Nothing more to add... I made
these sentences up so that my ESL students could play with words a
little. English is my second language and I always found such exercises
helpul. I would pay closer attention to the modern linguistic approach
if I were to publish a textbook, but I don't intend to do so  |
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Bartek
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:50 pm
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | 13. The overall cost of the project is $500 and Jack is overseeing it,
so there will be no oversights.
This one is fine, but worth noting that if Jack is providing
oversight, and there will be no oversigghts, there won't be a single
oversight, the first occurrence of the word meanss the opposite of the
remaining two!
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That was the reason I put these two together I think there's a name
for them, i.e. words whose meaning can be reversed by different usage...? |
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Bartek
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:05 pm
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Odysseus wrote:
| Quote: | meirman wrote:
In alt.english.usage on Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:50:36 +0200 Bartek
b_nowicki@op.pl> posted:
[snip]
20. Look, overleaf it says to take the overpass!
What's overleaf?
Nothing: my CRT doesn't have a _verso_ side, and I doubt yours has
one either.
overleaf - on the other side of the page... what is CRT (besides a |
cathode ray tube) ? |
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meirman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:12 pm
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In alt.english.usage on Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:05:23 +0200 Bartek
<b_nowicki@op.pl> posted:
| Quote: | Odysseus wrote:
meirman wrote:
In alt.english.usage on Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:50:36 +0200 Bartek
b_nowicki@op.pl> posted:
[snip]
20. Look, overleaf it says to take the overpass!
What's overleaf?
Nothing: my CRT doesn't have a _verso_ side, and I doubt yours has
one either.
overleaf - on the other side of the page... what is CRT (besides a
cathode ray tube) ?
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That's what he meant, the computer monitor.
Don't you want, The overleaf says to.... OR On the overleaf it says
to...
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years |
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meirman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:13 pm
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In alt.english.usage on Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:50:24 +0200 Bartek
<b_nowicki@op.pl> posted:
| Quote: | meirman wrote:
13. The overall cost of the project is $500 and Jack is overseeing it,
so there will be no oversights.
This one is fine, but worth noting that if Jack is providing
oversight, and there will be no oversigghts, there won't be a single
oversight, the first occurrence of the word meanss the opposite of the
remaining two!
That was the reason I put these two together I think there's a name
for them, i.e. words whose meaning can be reversed by different usage...?
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Yeah, but I can never remember the word.
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 20 years |
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Bartek
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:35 pm
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | This one is fine, but worth noting that if Jack is providing
oversight, and there will be no oversigghts, there won't be a single
oversight, the first occurrence of the word meanss the opposite of the
remaining two!
That was the reason I put these two together I think there's a name
for them, i.e. words whose meaning can be reversed by different usage...?
Yeah, but I can never remember the word.
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I found it at http://www.psc.edu/~burkardt/wordplay/autoanto.html - they
are called "autoantonyms", and there's a whole list of words like that
on that page. |
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Odysseus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:31 am
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meirman wrote:
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In alt.english.usage on Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:50:36 +0200 Bartek
b_nowicki@op.pl> posted:
[snip]
20. Look, overleaf it says to take the overpass!
[snip]
Don't you want, The overleaf says to.... OR On the overleaf it says
to...
I can't recall ever seeing "overleaf" used as anything but an adverb, |
as in "See overleaf for instructions." The corresponding noun
(phrase) is usually just something like "the back", or "the
other/reverse side".
--
Odysseus |
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