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meirman
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:06 am
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In alt.english.usage on 4 Oct 2004 02:07:18 GMT Jim Ward
<tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> posted:
| Quote: | In alt.usage.english meirman <meirman@invalid.com> wrote:
Cheerios, one of my favorite breakfast cereals, was originally called
Cheerioats or Cheery-Oats (I've never seen it written.) I think it's
name was changed when too many people pronounced it wrong, iirc.
The General Mills site says:
1941. General Mills introduces Cheerioats as "The Breakfast Food You've
Always Wanted".
1945. Cheerioats name is changed to Cheerios, with the slogan: "Cheerios - the
first ready-to-eat oat cereal".
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Thank you very much. I've never had details on this.
They had to change the slogan to include "oat" since the name no
longer explicit, and oats were an important selling feature.
I didn't know they were the first ready-to-eat oat cereal. And that
was just 1941. So Cheerios is not porridge but its recency seems to
support what Tedfriet said "Well, I know a lot of adults who like
porridge in the morning, but of course there are also people who agree
with dictionary Johnson about oats: "Eaten by horses and the Scots."
and make a face about it." Otoh, when was the first ready-to-eat
NON-oat cereal?
My mother told me about the name change when I was about 8. That was
only 10 years after the name change, so it's not surprising she
remembered it. When I was little the past seemed so long ago. WWII
seemed like ages ago, and it ended only 2 years before I was born.
Now otoh, the Viet Nam war seems recent, but the other day I realized
the Viet Nam War was closer to when I was born than it is to now.
Don, maybe. When did Mairsy Doats get popular?
s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:13 am
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On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:10:37 -0700, don groves <dgroves@domain.net>
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| Quote: | In article <2sbilqF1jl33iU1@uni-berlin.de>,
mark.barratt@enternet.hu wrote...
don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're a
haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort of
thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
Support for the gay and lesbian communities.
Support for a woman's right to choose abortion.
Support for a person's right to end his/her life with dignity.
Support for diverse political views.
Support for diverse religious views, including none.
Support for many environmental causes.
Suppot for the medical use of marijuana.
Support for the legalization of commercial hemp.
Support for our state's bottle bill in spite of massive industry
opposition.
Opposition to old growth logging.
Opposition to killing off the remaining salmon runs.
Opposition to the WalMartization of the region.
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In short, contrary to many places, we celebrate the differences
in people equally with the similarities and we care more about
our environment and our local economy.
The reason "that sort of thing" was in quotes is that a many in
the US today, including our current administration, consider
these humanistic sorts of things abhorent.
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:05 am
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On 4 Oct 2004 00:09:30 GMT, "Mark Barratt" <mark.barratt@enternet.hu> wrote:
| Quote: | don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're a
haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort of
thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
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Other active (religious) communities?
Suggesting, perhaps, that Portlanders (or whatever they call themselves) are
not apathetic, but are enthusiastic joiners and participators in various
religious (and other?) communities?
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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david56
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:28 pm
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meirman typed thus:
| Quote: | My mother told me about the name change when I was about 8. That was
only 10 years after the name change, so it's not surprising she
remembered it. When I was little the past seemed so long ago. WWII
seemed like ages ago, and it ended only 2 years before I was born.
Now otoh, the Viet Nam war seems recent, but the other day I realized
the Viet Nam War was closer to when I was born than it is to now.
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Yep:
I was born 11 years after the end of WW2; 38 years after the Great
War finished.
Daughter was born 40 years after the end of WW2.
WW2 is more distant to Daughter than WW1 was to me.
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David
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Daniel James
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:14 pm
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In article news:<MPG.1bca42e5eb3bffac989801@news.individual.net>,
Don groves wrote:
| Quote: | Support for our state's bottle bill in spite of massive industry
opposition.
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Sorry, I have to ask: "bottle bill" -- what's that about?
Cheers,
Daniel. |
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Sara Lorimer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:44 pm
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 4 Oct 2004 00:09:30 GMT, "Mark Barratt" <mark.barratt@enternet.hu> wrote:
don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're a
haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort of
thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
Other active (religious) communities?
Suggesting, perhaps, that Portlanders (or whatever they call themselves) are
not apathetic, but are enthusiastic joiners and participators in various
religious (and other?) communities?
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That would make sense, but I don't think that's it -- the Pacific
Northwest is the least-religious part of the country, I've read.
Ahhh, Portland!
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cljlk
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:55 pm
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"Mark Barratt" <mark.barratt@enternet.hu> wrote in message news:<2sbilqF1jl33iU1@uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're a
haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort of
thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
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For meditation. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:41 pm
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don groves wrote:
| Quote: | In article <2sbilqF1jl33iU1@uni-berlin.de>,
mark.barratt@enternet.hu wrote...
don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're a
haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort of
thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
Support for the gay and lesbian communities.
Support for a woman's right to choose abortion.
Support for a person's right to end his/her life with dignity.
Support for diverse political views.
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Is that last one really accurate? How much support is there in
Portland (Ah, Portland!) for, say, any views to the right of the center
wing of the Democratic Party? (Or, indeed, any views in opposition to
some of the basic beliefs you list?) Or for the right to express such
views?
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:28 pm
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Mark Barratt wrote:
| Quote: | don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're a
haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort of
thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
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Think "Totnes"; think "Dartington".
Peace,
Mike. |
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Mark Barratt
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:26 pm
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Barratt wrote:
don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're
a >> haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort
of thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
Think "Totnes"; think "Dartington".
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Duhh.. Totnes is a suburb of Liverpool where there was a
newsworthy riot about 20 years ago, I think. Dartington? <Checks
Google> No. You don't mean this? They can't be that liberal in
Portland, surely?
<http://www.dartingtonmorrismen.org.uk/>
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:39 pm
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Mark Barratt typed thus:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle wrote:
Mark Barratt wrote:
don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're
a haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort
of thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
Think "Totnes"; think "Dartington".
Duhh.. Totnes is a suburb of Liverpool where there was a
newsworthy riot about 20 years ago, I think.
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You think wrong - that's Toxteth, pronounced "Liverpool Eight".
Totness is across the river from Dartington. But I have no idea what
is being referenced here.
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David (moving to a new identity)
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Don Aitken
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:04 pm
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:39:10 +0100, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Barratt typed thus:
Mike Lyle wrote:
Mark Barratt wrote:
don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're
a haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort
of thing" category alongside Buddhism.
Suggestions?
Think "Totnes"; think "Dartington".
Duhh.. Totnes is a suburb of Liverpool where there was a
newsworthy riot about 20 years ago, I think.
You think wrong - that's Toxteth, pronounced "Liverpool Eight".
Totness is across the river from Dartington. But I have no idea what
is being referenced here.
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A Google on <totnes "new age"> will reveal enough, including this
delighful snipet from http://www.free-definition.com/New-Age.html
Places with a higher than normal proportion of people holding New Age
belief
Esalen at Big Sur, California, USA
Sedona , Arizona, USA
Arcosanti, Arizona, USA
Findhorn , near Forres ,Scotland
Glastonbury, Somerset, England
Totnes, Devon , England
Dornach, Switzerland
Monte Verità near Ascona , Switzerland
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Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being
read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com". |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:54 pm
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don groves <dgroves@domain.net> writes:
| Quote: | In article <2sbilqF1jl33iU1@uni-berlin.de>,
mark.barratt@enternet.hu wrote...
don groves wrote:
There's an active Buddhist community here in Portland (we're a
haven for "that sort of thing").
My mind is boggling as to what else falls into the "that sort of
thing" category alongside Buddhism.
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| Quote: | Support for a woman's right to choose abortion.
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I'm not an expert, but
It is quite clear from a variety of sources that abortion has been
severely disapproved of in the Buddhist tradition. It is also
equally clear that abortion has been tolerated in Buddhist Japan
and accommodated under exceptional circumstances by some modern
Buddhists in the U.S. (1) Those sources most often cited that
prohibit abortion are Theravaadin and ancient. ...
One of the strongest antiabortion cases from a Buddhist
perspective emerges in Damien Keown's wonderfully thorough and
insightful analysis of Buddhism's bioethical ramifications in the
book _Buddhism and Bioethics_. (2) Keown argues that the
preponderance of the Buddhist traditon is overwhelmingly
antiabortionist. In support, he develops two lines of argument.
The first relies on the nearly uniform rejection of abortion,
especially in ancient Theravaada texts, what Keown regards as the
core of the tradition. Here I believe he is on fairly firm ground
although I am uncertain regarding his preference for what he calls
"Buddhist fundamentalism" and his concomitant emphasis on
"scriptural authority." (3) The second line of argument concerns
his interpretation of these sources and their connection to the
basic tenets of Buddhism regarding the nature of personal identity
and the skandhas, karma and rebirth, life and death.
http://jbe.gold.ac.uk/5/barnh981.htm
This page is from somebody whose goal is "to show that such a choice
[to have an abortion] can be made in a manner consistent with Buddhist
principles".
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HP Laboratories |"Are you okay?"
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |"I'm made of felt....Add by dose
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:08 am
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meirman <meirman@invalid.com> writes:
| Quote: | I didn't know they were the first ready-to-eat oat cereal. And that
was just 1941. So Cheerios is not porridge but its recency seems to
support what Tedfriet said "Well, I know a lot of adults who like
porridge in the morning, but of course there are also people who
agree with dictionary Johnson about oats: "Eaten by horses and the
Scots." and make a face about it." Otoh, when was the first
ready-to-eat NON-oat cereal?
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Post claims that Grape-Nuts (1897) was "one of the first ready-to-eat
cold cereals", although it was apparently originally marketed as a
beverage(!). The Kelloggs invented flakes (by accident) in 1894:
However, the really significant development came quite by chance
one day in 1894 when an interruption of their laboratory
activities left cooked wheat exposed to the air for more than a
day. When the brothers returned, they decided to run the wheat
through the rollers despite the fact that it was no longer fresh.
What they saw next amazed them - instead of a single, large sheet
of wheat, the rollers discharged a single flake for each wheat
berry and cereal flakes were born.
http://www.kelloggs.co.uk/history/accmiracle.asp
but it doesn't look as though corn flakes were actually marketed until
1902. Kellogg's original flakes appear to have been called "Granose".
I suspect that the question is better answered by Scott Bruce and Bill
Crawford's _Cerealizing America: The Unsweetened Story of American
Breakfast Cereal_ (1995).
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Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |Bullwinkle: You sure that's the
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 | only way?
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |Rocky: Well, if you're going to be
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kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | stupid things every once in
(650)857-7572 | a while.
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ |
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don groves
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:21 am
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In article <VA.000008f0.07e0816a@nospam.aaisp.org>,
wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org wrote...
| Quote: | In article news:<MPG.1bca42e5eb3bffac989801@news.individual.net>,
Don groves wrote:
Support for our state's bottle bill in spite of massive industry
opposition.
Sorry, I have to ask: "bottle bill" -- what's that about?
Cheers,
Daniel.
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We require a nickel deposit on all beer, soft drink, etc.,
containers, redeemable upon return to a collection center.
This law has cut the amount of refuse along our roads and
highways considerably. The supermarket chains and beer
distributors fight this tooth-and-nail every time it comes up for
renewal but we have prevailed, so far. A few other states have
similar laws.
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dg (domain=ccwebster) |
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