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Zephir Woodwood
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:51 am
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I read some text in an infection control document today. "They are easily
dispersed in air currents and transmitted when susceptible people inhale
contaminated air."
Is the use of "people" acceptable? What is wrong with substituting
"persons"?
Thank you
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:06 am
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Zephir Woodwood wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
| Quote: | I read some text in an infection control document today. "They
are easily dispersed in air currents and transmitted when
susceptible people inhale contaminated air."
Is the use of "people" acceptable?
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Quite acceptable, and even preferred by the American Medical
Association Manual of Style.
| Quote: | What is wrong with substituting "persons"?
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Style. Medical publishers have been publishing documents filled with
stilted language for far too long. The authors, editors, and publishers
who care about language use prefer to use as much everday English as
possible in order to make what is published as clear and as easy to
read and understand as possible.
And, just for the record, corporations are legal "persons" but *not*
legal "people".
| Quote: | [Crossposted to alt.english.usage]
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Zephir Woodwood
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:12 am
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"CyberCypher" <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Zephir Woodwood wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
I read some text in an infection control document today. "They
are easily dispersed in air currents and transmitted when
susceptible people inhale contaminated air."
Is the use of "people" acceptable?
Quite acceptable, and even preferred by the American Medical
Association Manual of Style.
What is wrong with substituting "persons"?
Style. Medical publishers have been publishing documents filled with
stilted language for far too long. The authors, editors, and publishers
who care about language use prefer to use as much everday English as
possible in order to make what is published as clear and as easy to
read and understand as possible.
And, just for the record, corporations are legal "persons" but *not*
legal "people".
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
For email, replace numbers with English alphabet.
thank you |
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:38 pm
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"Zephir Woodwood" <zwnospam1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I read some text in an infection control document today. "They are easily
dispersed in air currents and transmitted when susceptible people inhale
contaminated air."
Is the use of "people" acceptable? What is wrong with substituting
"persons"?
Thank you
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"People are People" http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/depeche-mode/39333.html
Adrian |
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:02 pm
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On 29 Sep 2004 04:06:50 GMT, CyberCypher
<cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Zephir Woodwood wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
I read some text in an infection control document today. "They
are easily dispersed in air currents and transmitted when
susceptible people inhale contaminated air."
Is the use of "people" acceptable?
Quite acceptable, and even preferred by the American Medical
Association Manual of Style.
What is wrong with substituting "persons"?
Style. Medical publishers have been publishing documents filled with
stilted language for far too long. The authors, editors, and publishers
who care about language use prefer to use as much everday English as
possible in order to make what is published as clear and as easy to
read and understand as possible.
And, just for the record, corporations are legal "persons" but *not*
legal "people".
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That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be considered
as equivalent to being an individual so that responsibility can be
assigned?
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:41 pm
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Django Cat wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
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| Quote: | That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be
considered as equivalent to being an individual so that
responsibility can be assigned?
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I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal persons.
There are a couple of lawyers here who could probably tell you. Bob
Leiblich surely would have were he still here.
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Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
For email, replace numbers with English alphabet. |
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Michael Nitabach
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:49 pm
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CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | Django Cat wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
[...]
That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be
considered as equivalent to being an individual so that
responsibility can be assigned?
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal persons.
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One reason is so that courts can have jurisdiction over them.
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Don Aitken
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:13 pm
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:49:56 -0500, Michael Nitabach
<mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
| Quote: | CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in
news:Xns9573B4096F3DEcctxt2002@130.133.1.4:
Django Cat wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
[...]
That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be
considered as equivalent to being an individual so that
responsibility can be assigned?
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal persons.
One reason is so that courts can have jurisdiction over them.
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It isn't a new, or a specifically American, thing. All the common-law
countries have it. Originally it needed a special statute or a Royal
Charter; incorporation by administrative procedure came in in the 19th
century in England.
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Don Aitken
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:17 am
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"Don Aitken" <don-aitken@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:49:56 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in
news:Xns9573B4096F3DEcctxt2002@130.133.1.4:
Django Cat wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
[...]
That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be
considered as equivalent to being an individual so that
responsibility can be assigned?
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal persons.
One reason is so that courts can have jurisdiction over them.
It isn't a new, or a specifically American, thing. All the common-law
countries have it. Originally it needed a special statute or a Royal
Charter; incorporation by administrative procedure came in in the 19th
century in England.
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Taxability.
Liability in civil actions.
Probably a few more. Corporations are, in a sense, immortal. I expect just
keeping some controls on them is only human. |
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:50 am
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"Don Aitken" <don-aitken@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:49:56 -0500, Michael Nitabach
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CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in
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Django Cat wrote on 29 Sep 2004:
[...]
That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be
considered as equivalent to being an individual so that
responsibility can be assigned?
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal persons.
One reason is so that courts can have jurisdiction over them.
It isn't a new, or a specifically American, thing. All the common-law
countries have it. Originally it needed a special statute or a Royal
Charter; incorporation by administrative procedure came in in the 19th
century in England.
Taxability.
Liability in civil actions.
Probably a few more. Corporations are, in a sense, immortal. I expect
just
keeping some controls on them is only human.
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I've seen that very aspect, potential immortality, used in an argument as
one reason to abolish legal personhood for corporations (part of the overall
argument that a corporation should not be given the legal status of a person
because it is so very different from a person).
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Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com |
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Spehro Pefhany
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:32 am
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:50:28 -0500, the renowned "Raymond S. Wise"
<mplsrayNOSPAM@gbronline.com> wrote:
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I've seen that very aspect, potential immortality, used in an argument as
one reason to abolish legal personhood for corporations (part of the overall
argument that a corporation should not be given the legal status of a person
because it is so very different from a person).
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As you say, "potential immortality". Among other ways they can die,
Corporations can be subject to the death penalty (having their charter
revoked) for such crimes as not filing tax returns promptly.
The movie "The Corporation" sounds like an interesting exploration of
the subject.
http://www.thecorporation.com/about/
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:46 am
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CyberCypher wrote:
| Quote: | Django Cat wrote:
That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be
considered as equivalent to being an individual so that
responsibility can be assigned?
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal persons.
There are a couple of lawyers here who could probably tell you. Bob
Leiblich surely would have were he still here.
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It's hard to stomach seeing Bob's name spelled that way. Not lovely at all.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:41 am
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Skitt wrote on 30 Sep 2004:
| Quote: | CyberCypher wrote:
Django Cat wrote:
That's interesting Franke - so in (US?) law an entity has to be
considered as equivalent to being an individual so that
responsibility can be assigned?
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal
persons. There are a couple of lawyers here who could probably
tell you. Bob Leiblich surely would have were he still here.
It's hard to stomach seeing Bob's name spelled that way. Not
lovely at all.
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The other way isn't lovely either. I've always had trouble with the
"ei"/"ie" combination is people's names. I guess it's because I never
learned phonics: I learned German instead. I don't know how his name is
pronounced. Is it [lai] as in "pie" or [li] as in "tea"?
--
Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:18 am
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CyberCypher wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
CyberCypher wrote:
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal
persons. There are a couple of lawyers here who could probably
tell you. Bob Leiblich surely would have were he still here.
It's hard to stomach seeing Bob's name spelled that way. Not
lovely at all.
The other way isn't lovely either. I've always had trouble with the
"ei"/"ie" combination is people's names. I guess it's because I never
learned phonics: I learned German instead. I don't know how his name
is pronounced. Is it [lai] as in "pie" or [li] as in "tea"?
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But German is why I wrote what I did. Leib = stomach (belly, actually),
Liebe = love.
Maybe I should have said that your spelling went belly up in a very unlovely
way.
Bob's name (as well as "Liebe") is pronounced with an ee sound. "Leib" has
sort of an "eye" sound.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:28 am
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Skitt wrote on 30 Sep 2004:
| Quote: | CyberCypher wrote:
Skitt wrote:
CyberCypher wrote:
I don't know the reasoning behind making corporations legal
persons. There are a couple of lawyers here who could probably
tell you. Bob Leiblich surely would have were he still here.
It's hard to stomach seeing Bob's name spelled that way. Not
lovely at all.
The other way isn't lovely either. I've always had trouble with
the "ei"/"ie" combination is people's names. I guess it's because
I never learned phonics: I learned German instead. I don't know
how his name is pronounced. Is it [lai] as in "pie" or [li] as in
"tea"?
But German is why I wrote what I did. Leib = stomach (belly,
actually), Liebe = love.
Maybe I should have said that your spelling went belly up in a
very unlovely way.
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It's been a long, long time since I've seriously read or written any
German. I've forgotten almost everything I knew.
One of my problems with names is names that end in "stein". Some
people in New Jersey pronounce them to rhyme with "mine" and others
pronounce them to rhyme with "mean".
| Quote: | Bob's name (as well as "Liebe") is pronounced with an ee sound.
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Thank you for that info. Maybe now I'll get it right next time.
| Quote: | "Leib" has sort of an "eye" sound.
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