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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:27 am
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GOETHE in Weimar sleeps, and Greece,
Long since, saw Byron’s struggle cease.
But one such death remain’d to come;
The last poetic voice is dumb—
We stand to-day by Wordsworth’s tomb.
Are the last lines supposed to rhyme ?
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Joanne Marinelli
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:40 am
Post subject: Re: Dumb question |
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<drewdr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | GOETHE in Weimar sleeps, and Greece,
Long since, saw Byron's struggle cease.
But one such death remain'd to come;
The last poetic voice is dumb-
We stand to-day by Wordsworth's tomb.
Are the last lines supposed to rhyme ?
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Sometimes getting the couplets to scan is more important than an exact
mnemonic match, but, to answer your question, yes.
Joanne |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:40 am
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drewdr@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | GOETHE in Weimar sleeps, and Greece,
Long since, saw Byron's struggle cease.
But one such death remain'd to come;
The last poetic voice is dumb-
We stand to-day by Wordsworth's tomb.
Are the last lines supposed to rhyme ?
http://www.bartleby.com/246/423.html
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From looking at the rest of the poem, we see a clear system of whole
rhymes and so we assume that Arnold intended rhymes. The only rhymes
that seem a little odd to our 21st Century eyes are the come / dumb /
tomb you quote, the come / gloom later in the poem and the destiny /
fearlessly / put it by towards the end.
I don't know, however, how Arnold intended the words to be pronounced.
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John Dean
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Joanne Marinelli
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:45 am
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | drewdr@yahoo.com wrote:
GOETHE in Weimar sleeps, and Greece,
Long since, saw Byron's struggle cease.
But one such death remain'd to come;
The last poetic voice is dumb-
We stand to-day by Wordsworth's tomb.
Are the last lines supposed to rhyme ?
http://www.bartleby.com/246/423.html
From looking at the rest of the poem, we see a clear system of whole
rhymes and so we assume that Arnold intended rhymes. The only rhymes
that seem a little odd to our 21st Century eyes are the come / dumb /
tomb you quote, the come / gloom later in the poem and the destiny /
fearlessly / put it by towards the end.
I don't know, however, how Arnold intended the words to be pronounced.
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John Dean
Oxford
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But it is common for all great formalists to make such elisions John.
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John Dean
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:44 am
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Joanne Marinelli wrote:
| Quote: | "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cjabr4$1bq$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
drewdr@yahoo.com wrote:
GOETHE in Weimar sleeps, and Greece,
Long since, saw Byron's struggle cease.
But one such death remain'd to come;
The last poetic voice is dumb-
We stand to-day by Wordsworth's tomb.
Are the last lines supposed to rhyme ?
http://www.bartleby.com/246/423.html
From looking at the rest of the poem, we see a clear system of whole
rhymes and so we assume that Arnold intended rhymes. The only rhymes
that seem a little odd to our 21st Century eyes are the come / dumb /
tomb you quote, the come / gloom later in the poem and the destiny /
fearlessly / put it by towards the end.
I don't know, however, how Arnold intended the words to be
pronounced. --
But it is common for all great formalists to make such elisions John.
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I don't actually *see* any elisions.
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John Dean
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Joanne Marinelli
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:18 am
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Joanne Marinelli wrote:
"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cjabr4$1bq$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
drewdr@yahoo.com wrote:
GOETHE in Weimar sleeps, and Greece,
Long since, saw Byron's struggle cease.
But one such death remain'd to come;
The last poetic voice is dumb-
We stand to-day by Wordsworth's tomb.
Are the last lines supposed to rhyme ?
http://www.bartleby.com/246/423.html
From looking at the rest of the poem, we see a clear system of whole
rhymes and so we assume that Arnold intended rhymes. The only rhymes
that seem a little odd to our 21st Century eyes are the come / dumb /
tomb you quote, the come / gloom later in the poem and the destiny /
fearlessly / put it by towards the end.
I don't know, however, how Arnold intended the words to be
pronounced. --
But it is common for all great formalists to make such elisions John.
I don't actually *see* any elisions.
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John Dean
Oxford
I thought spell check alone would get me off with the right literary term |
for it, but there is one for near rhyming words like dumb/tomb. I am not
going to go look it up now, but I will later if it will make you feel
better. There isn't a poet born into the English language who doesn't play
such games with whatever form they are using, and I assume I don't have to
argue that with a fellow from Oxford.
I do not deliberately restrict my poetry to any of the known methods, though
one day I'd like to try a sestina and the like.
Joanne |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Dumb question |
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Joanne Marinelli wrote:
| Quote: | I thought spell check alone would get me off with the right literary term
for it, but there is one for near rhyming words like dumb/tomb. I am not
going to go look it up now, but I will later if it will make you feel
better.
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If you just took a wild guess, instead of looking for a
technical-sounding term, you might well have gotten. Any of 'half
rhyme,' 'imperfect rhyme,' 'near rhyme,' 'oblique rhyme,' or 'slant
rhyme' would have worked. |
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