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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:45 am
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The Voice of Reason
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:46 am
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Bowersst@gmail.com (Ferdinand) wrote in message news:<54e7488e.0411041245.6655dc64@posting.google.com>...
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NLP, seduction, and hypnosis.
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Ray has his own cult, except he's the only member. |
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Ferdinand
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:30 pm
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i_hate_hibs@homail.com (The Voice of Reason) wrote in message news:<87bbd508.0411051446.588fad1a@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | Bersst@gmil.com (Ferdinand) wrote in message news:<54e7488e.0411041245.6655dc64@posting.google.com>...
Secrets of Cult Leaders Revealed!
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Ray has his own cult, except he's the only member.
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What about Helen (or whatever her name was?)
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Byte Me
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:16 pm
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"Ferdinand" <Bowersst@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | i_hate_hibs@homail.com (The Voice of Reason) wrote in message
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Bersst@gmil.com (Ferdinand) wrote in message
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Secrets of Cult Leaders Revealed!
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Ray has his own cult, except he's the only member.
What about Helen (or whatever her name was?)
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Not much talk about any women in his life. He talks about everything else
at great length, but not Hellen. apparently she is not a part of his
current existance. I have actually never seen much on her. One would think
that a secudtion guru would at least have a GF, but if that is the case,
he's silent on the subject. If such a woman ever existed apart from
fantasies, there is no proof of it.
I expect a lot of things will come out after someone else on this board
moves into the building with him. At the very least, we will find out what
the neighbors think, and possibly what the local constabulary thinks also.
I cannot imagine that they will not be called on a nearly daily basis with
"threats" made. Of course, he won't know what this other person looks like
either. Interesting days ahead....stay tuned.
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aardvark9084
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:35 pm
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"Byte Me" <no_way@jose.com> wrote in message
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"Ferdinand" <Bowersst@gmail.com> wrote in message
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i_hate_hibs@homail.com (The Voice of Reason) wrote in message
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Bersst@gmil.com (Ferdinand) wrote in message
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Secrets of Cult Leaders Revealed!
Discover why so many are wrong about
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Learn the secrets of cult leaders and
achieve TRUE unlimited power!
http://www.cultsecrets.com
Ray has his own cult, except he's the only member.
What about Helen (or whatever her name was?)
Not much talk about any women in his life.
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that's because there no action with women in his life. his seduction
"expertise" is nothing more than a ruse, a hollow scam to separate men from
their money and pump up his already overblown sense of self importance into
him hoping that the world doesn't see that ray really doesn't matter.
He talks about everything else
| Quote: | at great length, but not Hellen. apparently she is not a part of his
current existance. I have actually never seen much on her.
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"helen" is nothing more than ray's digitized voice put on tape. yet another
one of scabby's flim-flam jobs to separate the unknowing from their cash
while he hypocritically whines about the "greed" of those who do honest
business. i personally feel that anyone who actually paid money for a female
voice doing "sexy hypnosis" (whatever the hell that is) should sue him for
fraud.
One would think
| Quote: | that a secudtion guru would at least have a GF, but if that is the case,
he's silent on the subject.
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he can't even get homeless and hungry women to sit and eat with him using a
$500 bribe. could you imagine just how bad someone would have to smell
(persons who have gotten close enough to captain bonehead say he stinks) to
turn away an offer of $500 just to sit and eat with a person?
If such a woman ever existed apart from
| Quote: | fantasies, there is no proof of it.
I expect a lot of things will come out after someone else on this board
moves into the building with him.
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more fun than watching him bob for french fries.
At the very least, we will find out what
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i'd love to know what they've got to say.
and possibly what the local constabulary thinks also.
| Quote: | I cannot imagine that they will not be called on a nearly daily basis with
"threats" made.
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i wonder if he tried the patience of the philly cops enough to the point
that the slantiness of his gumby head is due to one too many night sticks
liberally applied to the side of his lumpy, ego-strained kro-mag head.
ray: duh, uh..nert, zoop..wolf! wolf i say! duh...
cop: what's the difference between you and rodney king?
ray: duh uh...i dunno.
cop: not enough that you'd notice it, schmuck...*whack* *thump* *thud*
Of course, he won't know what this other person looks like
| Quote: | either. Interesting days ahead....stay tuned.
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Byte Me
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Start your own cult |
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<snip>> >
| Quote: | What about Helen (or whatever her name was?)
Not much talk about any women in his life.
that's because there no action with women in his life. his seduction
"expertise" is nothing more than a ruse, a hollow scam to separate men
from
their money and pump up his already overblown sense of self importance
into
him hoping that the world doesn't see that ray really doesn't matter.
He talks about everything else
at great length, but not Hellen. apparently she is not a part of his
current existance. I have actually never seen much on her.
"helen" is nothing more than ray's digitized voice put on tape. yet
another
one of scabby's flim-flam jobs to separate the unknowing from their cash
while he hypocritically whines about the "greed" of those who do honest
business. i personally feel that anyone who actually paid money for a
female
voice doing "sexy hypnosis" (whatever the hell that is) should sue him for
fraud.
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That is a very interesting thought. "Helen" is discoverable too. The fact
that she is part of his business would make her vulnerable to at least
makiing an appearance and if she turns out to be just him acting as a woman
his credibility would be destroyed. Not that he has much anyway, but if he
fails to produce her, that whole "spoilation of evidence" think will be back
in his face again. I'm told that his case is almost certainly fatally
weakened already as his continual "nuking" of his posts so that nothing can
be verified destroys his ability at least to challenge anything that does
turn up, or has been archived by private individuals. Da Filez as it was
put.
For your information, this is what "spoilation of evidence" is.....
FOURTH CIRCUIT RECOGNIZES FEDERAL LAW OF SPOLIATION
Silvestri v. General Motors Corp., 271 F.3d 583 (4th Cir. 2001)
The Fourth Circuit affirmed the District Court of Maryland's dismissal of a
personal injury claim against the defendant auto manufacturer on the grounds
of spoliation of the evidence.
The Court concluded that a federal law of spoliation applied because the
power to sanction for spoliation derives from the inherent power of the
court, not substantive law. However, the Court adopted the articulation of
spoliation principles in part from New York law.
Spoliation refers to the destruction or material alteration of evidence or
to the failure to preserve property for another's use as evidence in pending
or reasonably foreseeable litigation. The right to impose sanctions for
spoliation arises from the court's inherent power to control the judicial
process, and the underlying policy of preservation of the integrity of the
judicial process in order to retain confidence that the process works to
uncover the truth.
In the Fourth Circuit's view, while the spoliation of evidence may give rise
to court imposed sanctions deriving from this inherent power, the acts of
spoliation do not themselves give rise in civil cases to substantive claims
or defenses.
The District court has broad discretion in choosing an appropriate sanction
for spoliation, but the applicable sanction should be molded to served the
underlying rationales. A court must find some degree of fault to impose
sanctions.
The duty to preserve material evidence arises not only during litigation but
also extends to that period before the litigation when a party reasonably
should know that the evidence may be relevant to anticipated litigation.
If a party cannot fulfill this duty to preserve because he does not own or
control the evidence, he still has an obligation to give the opposing party
notice of access to the evidence or of the possible destruction of the
evidence.
In this case, the plaintiff was injured while driving his landlady's
vehicle. Notwithstanding the anticipation of the litigation against GM,
neither plaintiff's attorney nor plaintiff took any steps to preserve the
vehicle or to notify GM of the existence of the vehicle and the potential
claim until almost three years later when suit was filed. The Fourth Circuit
agreed that the spoliation here was highly prejudicial, and denied GM access
to the only evidence from which it could develop its defenses adequately.
So, here is a potential stumbling block for all the Federal litigation, as
the Plaintiff has already moved to recuse the Judge, and failed to hire an
attorney as suggested by the court so that coherent filings can be made. I
don't believe that once "nuked" the Plaintiff can restore without
modification, the posts, therefore it would appear that spoilation would be
an easy way to dispose of the case and keep it from being reopened.
One also wonders what possible relevance this entire thread would have in
the context to the many USENET groups that it has been spammed to. This
appears, as usual, to be nothing more than a spammed opportunity to throw
the various Ray Gordon spam taglines in front of people who are not involved
with kooksuits.
BM
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Rguy84
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:22 am
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Ray Gordon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:49 am
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| Quote: | business. i personally feel that anyone who actually paid money for a
female
voice doing "sexy hypnosis" (whatever the hell that is) should sue him
for
fraud.
That is a very interesting thought. "Helen" is discoverable too. The
fact that she is part of his business would make her vulnerable to at
least makiing an appearance and if she turns out to be just him acting as
a woman his credibility would be destroyed.
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1. She can be produced "in camera" for the court.
2. You are engaging in unauthorized legal advice and can be reported to the
PA Bar Association, or sued directly by me.
Never mind that SHE gets standing to sue anyone who lies about her or her
work as well. How odd that you "defenders of women" turn on them so quickly
when it suits your agenda.
Oh, and *you* become discoverable when you engage in actionable conduct. |
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Player88
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:30 am
Post subject: Re: Start your own cult |
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In article <cqdjd.1999$EE3.1174@trndny09>, "Ray Gordon"
<ray@cybersheet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | business. i personally feel that anyone who actually paid money for a
female
voice doing "sexy hypnosis" (whatever the hell that is) should sue him
for fraud.
That is a very interesting thought. "Helen" is discoverable too. The
fact that she is part of his business would make her vulnerable to at
least makiing an appearance and if she turns out to be just him acting as
a woman his credibility would be destroyed.
1. She can be produced "in camera" for the court.
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No one wants to see you in drag. Dragged by your ankles behind a Jeep
Wrangler over the cobblestone streets of Philadelphia, maybe, but not
IN drag.
Someone posted that they'd done audio analysis on your voice and
helen's and discovered that the formants were virtually identical on
your voice sample and helen's voice sample. That's very rare unless
it's the same person.
I have similar software and did the same experiment. The formants ARE
unusually similar. One possibility is that the two people are twins or
are blood relatives, which is the most possible reason for the
similarity in formants between two voices. So it could be Gordon and
his sister (if he has one--he's never mentioned one to my knowledge) or
his mother.
| Quote: | 2. You are engaging in unauthorized legal advice and can be reported to the
PA Bar Association, or sued directly by me.
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blahblahblahblahblah ... I think you threaten because it gives you some
sense of being in control of a situation: "let me try to scare them to
death with a lawsuit."
| Quote: | Never mind that SHE gets standing to sue anyone who lies about her or her
work as well.
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It's funny how she somehow has never materialized.
| Quote: | How odd that you "defenders of women" turn on them so quickly
when it suits your agenda.
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Just like how the man who claims that women deserve to be raped and
murdered all of sudden claims to be a defender and supporter of women.
| Quote: | Oh, and *you* become discoverable when you engage in actionable conduct.
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Like claiming that women deserve to be raped and murdered, and that you
find the idea of premeditated murder appealing?
Those are very offensive words which came from your internet account
.... words that you have defended in the past. One would think you
cherish those words and the thoughts behind them. One could easily come
to the conclusion that you are planning to kill women now, and are just
waiting for a moment when you feel that you won't be caught doing so.
You have said that you believe that as long as you're not convicted,
you're not breaking the law, so that means that you feel that murder is
acceptable and legal as long as you do not get caught and convicted.
And since you have admitted to finding the thought of premeditated
murder appealing ... well, it's not hard to connect the dots.
That's why I can't wait to personally hold you accountable for what you
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Ferdinand B
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Start your own cult |
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Player88 <name@host.ws> wrote in message news:<061120041930033438%name@host.ws>...
| Quote: | In article <cqdjd.1999$EE3.1174@trndny09>, "Ray Gordon"
ray@cybersheet.com> wrote:
business. i personally feel that anyone who actually paid money for a
female
voice doing "sexy hypnosis" (whatever the hell that is) should sue him
for fraud.
That is a very interesting thought. "Helen" is discoverable too. The
fact that she is part of his business would make her vulnerable to at
least makiing an appearance and if she turns out to be just him acting as
a woman his credibility would be destroyed.
1. She can be produced "in camera" for the court.
No one wants to see you in drag. Dragged by your ankles behind a Jeep
Wrangler over the cobblestone streets of Philadelphia, maybe, but not
IN drag.
Someone posted that they'd done audio analysis on your voice and
helen's and discovered that the formants were virtually identical on
your voice sample and helen's voice sample. That's very rare unless
it's the same person.
I have similar software and did the same experiment. The formants ARE
unusually similar. One possibility is that the two people are twins or
are blood relatives, which is the most possible reason for the
similarity in formants between two voices. So it could be Gordon and
his sister (if he has one--he's never mentioned one to my knowledge) or
his mother.
2. You are engaging in unauthorized legal advice and can be reported to the
PA Bar Association, or sued directly by me.
blahblahblahblahblah ... I think you threaten because it gives you some
sense of being in control of a situation: "let me try to scare them to
death with a lawsuit."
Never mind that SHE gets standing to sue anyone who lies about her or her
work as well.
It's funny how she somehow has never materialized.
How odd that you "defenders of women" turn on them so quickly
when it suits your agenda.
Just like how the man who claims that women deserve to be raped and
murdered all of sudden claims to be a defender and supporter of women.
Oh, and *you* become discoverable when you engage in actionable conduct.
Like claiming that women deserve to be raped and murdered, and that you
find the idea of premeditated murder appealing?
Those are very offensive words which came from your internet account
... words that you have defended in the past. One would think you
cherish those words and the thoughts behind them. One could easily come
to the conclusion that you are planning to kill women now, and are just
waiting for a moment when you feel that you won't be caught doing so.
You have said that you believe that as long as you're not convicted,
you're not breaking the law, so that means that you feel that murder is
acceptable and legal as long as you do not get caught and convicted.
And since you have admitted to finding the thought of premeditated
murder appealing ... well, it's not hard to connect the dots.
That's why I can't wait to personally hold you accountable for what you
have posted.
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Alot of flaming in this newsgroup... why can't we talk about the
subject at hand without everyone insulting each other?
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EditorialStaff
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Ferdinand B wrote:
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Alot of flaming in this newsgroup...
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Actually, it isn't flaming. Gordon Roy Parker believes EVERY
word of everything he writes. He's said many, many times that
"silence means acceptance" and when called on his statements
such as "women deserve to be raped", "gymnasts are sexual
performers", "all women are sluts, whores, and cunts", and
someone will have to "KILL him to get him to shut up", he never
retracts or rebuts those statements, which means that he really
believes them to be true. He's said so himself, and we have
all of the posts to prove it.
| Quote: | why can't we talk about the subject at hand without everyone
insulting each other?
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Gordon Roy Parker isn't being "insulted", as he believes he is.
Of course, when you have a mental illness that you treat with
alcohol and pills, (as he himself has said many times) you tend
to lose all credibility when you post wild claims, such as the
time he posted that he was "Jesus", or that he was an Olympic
class "Gymnastics Coach", or similar claims. We have those posts
too.
The fact of the matter remains, Gordon Roy Parker has made many,
many posts containing wild, unsubstantiated claims, and when he
is called on those claims, he retaliates with frivolous legal
action, harassment, stalking behavior, and many other forms of
behaviors that indicate he is still suffering from this debilitating
mental illness, and has not yet sought legitimate medical treatment
for it.
He has filed, to the best of our knowledge, at least five lawsuits
against individuals who have only spoken their opinions, or who
have failed to hire him for jobs which the court has shown that he
never applied for. All of them have been lost by him, because he
believes that he is sufficiently capbable of managing legal action,
even though a Federal Judge has called him "an Inexcusable Failure".
Gordon Roy Parker lives in a world that the rest of us do not live
in, and as long as he goes unmedicated, untreated, and unchecked,
he will continue to harass, harangue, lie, threaten, and file his
legal actions against whomever it suits his whim to do so.
We advise extreme caution when dealing with him, at all times.
Your best bet to have on-topic and Gordon Roy Parker-free discussion
of the topic at hand, is to find a forum that is moderated, one
where Gordon Roy Parker cannot post. There are fora that meet this
description that are described in alt.seduction.fast on a repeated
basis. We do not OFFICIALLY endorse any such fora, but most of our
Editorial Staff are, on their own, posting individually to these fora,
and are regular posters there. They do so without the approval or the
disapproval of the Editorial Staff, as a collective body.
Then again, you too can join the Mighty Ray Gordon Litigation Train
by speaking your mind, and expressing your opinions. That train
leaves the station every day at 7:00AM, and derails in a spectacular
failure at 7:10AM. You will eventually have your ticket attempted to
be punched. That too always fails.
Would you take "seduction advice" from a self-described unmedicated
bipolar, who had herpes, who had never shown that he has even
graduated from high school, who lived with his mother at the age of
38, and has claimed an income of only $10,000 a year?
We hope this helps you.
--
The Editorial Staff
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A quote from Gordon Roy Parker, AKA "Ray Gordon":
"(For a dissenting opinion on my character, please visit
the following website: http://members.tripod.com/~rayfaq.html)*
This site contains many lies about me, but as a defender of
free speech I fully support its right to exist."
-Message-ID: <6ertau$76b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
*The original RayFAQ was removed from the internet as a
result of dozens of complaints from Gordon Roy Parker.
Freedom of Speech is WORTHLESS without Social Responsibility.
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Player88
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Start your own cult |
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In article <70783250.0411092233.628f09fe@posting.google.com>,
usenet69@hotmail.com (Ferdinand B) wrote:
| Quote: | Player88 <name@host.ws> wrote in message
news:<061120041930033438%name@host.ws>...
In article <cqdjd.1999$EE3.1174@trndny09>, "Ray Gordon"
ray@cybersheet.com> wrote:
business. i personally feel that anyone who actually paid money for a
female
voice doing "sexy hypnosis" (whatever the hell that is) should sue him
for fraud.
That is a very interesting thought. "Helen" is discoverable too. The
fact that she is part of his business would make her vulnerable to at
least makiing an appearance and if she turns out to be just him acting
as
a woman his credibility would be destroyed.
1. She can be produced "in camera" for the court.
No one wants to see you in drag. Dragged by your ankles behind a Jeep
Wrangler over the cobblestone streets of Philadelphia, maybe, but not
IN drag.
Someone posted that they'd done audio analysis on your voice and
helen's and discovered that the formants were virtually identical on
your voice sample and helen's voice sample. That's very rare unless
it's the same person.
I have similar software and did the same experiment. The formants ARE
unusually similar. One possibility is that the two people are twins or
are blood relatives, which is the most possible reason for the
similarity in formants between two voices. So it could be Gordon and
his sister (if he has one--he's never mentioned one to my knowledge) or
his mother.
2. You are engaging in unauthorized legal advice and can be reported to
the
PA Bar Association, or sued directly by me.
blahblahblahblahblah ... I think you threaten because it gives you some
sense of being in control of a situation: "let me try to scare them to
death with a lawsuit."
Never mind that SHE gets standing to sue anyone who lies about her or her
work as well.
It's funny how she somehow has never materialized.
How odd that you "defenders of women" turn on them so quickly
when it suits your agenda.
Just like how the man who claims that women deserve to be raped and
murdered all of sudden claims to be a defender and supporter of women.
Oh, and *you* become discoverable when you engage in actionable conduct.
Like claiming that women deserve to be raped and murdered, and that you
find the idea of premeditated murder appealing?
Those are very offensive words which came from your internet account
... words that you have defended in the past. One would think you
cherish those words and the thoughts behind them. One could easily come
to the conclusion that you are planning to kill women now, and are just
waiting for a moment when you feel that you won't be caught doing so.
You have said that you believe that as long as you're not convicted,
you're not breaking the law, so that means that you feel that murder is
acceptable and legal as long as you do not get caught and convicted.
And since you have admitted to finding the thought of premeditated
murder appealing ... well, it's not hard to connect the dots.
That's why I can't wait to personally hold you accountable for what you
have posted.
Alot of flaming in this newsgroup... why can't we talk about the
subject at hand without everyone insulting each other?
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I believe that someone who has justified posting that women deserve to
be raped (and justified that post in a forum that was ostensibly for
discussing the seduction of women) should be held accountable for
making that post.
Unless you agree with the original poster and believe that women
deserve to be raped and murdered, and find the thought of premeditated
murder appealing on a fundamental, primal level.
There will be NO forgiveness for anyone who has that viewpoint. People
like that don't deserve to be shot: they deserve to be forced to stay
awake and exist on a diet of themselves. That's right, after the arms
and legs have removed and eaten (1 inch at a time, removed without
anesthesia), then remove a kidney, sauté it in garlic and olive oil and
feed to them. Then remove a lung (without anesthesia, a little at a
time--you should be able to get 3-4 meals out of one lung) and broil it
with mushrooms and butter. Deep fried ears sprinkled with powdered
sugar and cinnamon.
And to be frank, THAT'S too good for them. Any punishment or torture
given would prevent all other forms of punishment or torture to be
given at that time. If there were a way to combine all forms of torture
and punishment, that might come close to holding a poster accountable
for posting and justifying a belief that women deserve to be raped,
beaten, and murdered. ESPECIALLY if the poster also has said that he
finds the idea of premeditated murder appealing on a fundamental,
primal level. |
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Paul Robinson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:06 am
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EditorialStaff wrote:
| Quote: | Then again, you too can join the Mighty Ray Gordon Litigation Train
by speaking your mind, and expressing your opinions. That train
leaves the station every day at 7:00AM, and derails in a spectacular
failure at 7:10AM. You will eventually have your ticket attempted to
be punched. That too always fails.
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Hey! That's my line! Have you considered that you might be SUED for
plagiarism for stealing my ideas? My extensive legal team will be
contacting you shortly to discuss settlement terms. Probably only cost
you a billion dollars or ten. |
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