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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:15 am
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:08 am
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x-no-archive: yes
some of us take social rejection very hard. we stew in it. unable to
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Anon-e-Mouse
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:18 pm
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Sorry tariq,
You got to work on it. Ask out three women this week. Practice
smiling at people and saying hello. The best "lines" are "Hello" and
"My name is ____. Or you can give a respectful compliment. Don't
think so much about the bad part. In part, it's a choice to dwell
there. Every person who is coupled up had that to deal with that but
they eventually found their mate.
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Stan de SD
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:06 am
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<essentialsexinfo3@rock.com> wrote in message
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There are only 4 main methods of pregnancy prevention:
1. Condoms
2. Birth Control pills/Depraprovera/IUD/Progestin/Hormone
3. Pull-out method
4. Female barrier method such as diaphragm or sponge
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Now about abstinence? I know it's not very PC, but it DOES work... |
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Jafo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:40 pm
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As viewed from alt.california, Stan de SD wrote:
| Quote: | essentialsexinfo3@rock.com> wrote...
There are only 4 main methods of pregnancy prevention:
1. Condoms
2. Birth Control pills/Depraprovera/IUD/Progestin/Hormone
3. Pull-out method
4. Female barrier method such as diaphragm or sponge
Now about abstinence? I know it's not very PC, but it DOES work...
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Like it or not, it's the only method that comes with a guarantee...
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Miguel O'Pastel
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:05 am
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: <essentialsexinfo3@rock.com> wrote in message
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: Now about abstinence? I know it's not very PC, but it DOES work...
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Inability to get laid is not the same as abstinence, Stain.
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Stan de SD
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:12 pm
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"Miguel O'Pastel" <nofascism@tall.usa> wrote in message
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"Stan de SD" <standesd@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: <essentialsexinfo3@rock.com> wrote in message
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Inability to get laid is not the same as abstinence, Stain.
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Inability to come up with an argument is not the same as having an alternate
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Jim Spriggs
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:26 pm
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essentialsexinfo3@rock.com wrote:
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... Virgin girls,
ages 14 and up may wish to buy a vibrator or a dildo so that they can
"break themselves in" gently on their own.
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Why that age in particular?
| Quote: | There are only 4 main methods of pregnancy prevention:
1. Condoms
2. Birth Control pills/Depraprovera/IUD/Progestin/Hormone
3. Pull-out method
4. Female barrier method such as diaphragm or sponge
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3. can hardly be recommended. You forget anal/oral/manual sex.
| Quote: | Human beings become sexual by age 14.
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Not true. It is well known that baby boys get erections when being
fed. Human beings (not surprisingly) are sexual straight out of the
womb.
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I don't know who you are Sir, or where you come from,
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:07 am
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essentialsexinfo3@rock.com wrote:
| Quote: | essentialsexinfo2@rock.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps all teenage boys should be told: Always use condoms and pull
out!
And perhaps all teenage girls should be told: Always use condoms and
birth control!
And perhaps high schools should provide birth control services to teen
girls, because without help from their parents, the girls must go to
the doctor by themselves, and somehow use whatever health insurance
their parents have to help pay for the prescription pills and their
appointment.
At the same time, high school health services could provide testing for
the five STD's which can be tested for:
HIV
Herpes (blood test)
Gonorrhea
Chlamydia
Syphilis
If all students are given a wallet size business card to carry with
them after testing, this could act as a prophylactic device, proving
health, and preventing infection from those diseases.
And the high school health services could also provide information on
the 7 STD's which are:
Genital Warts (HPV)
Nongonococcal urethritis (NGU)
Trichomoniasis/Vaginitis
Molluscum Contagiosum
Crabs
Scabies
Chancroid
And encourage anyone with symptoms or a positive test result to contact
their primary physician for a diagnosis and treatment.
Actually there are only a few hundred cases of Chancroid in the USA get
each year, and NGU is usually Chlamydia.... So there are 10 main
diseases, 5 testable, and 5 untestable. There are approximately 280
million people in the United States.
The 5 STD's which can be tested for are:
HIV approximately 40,000 new annual cases in USA, 900,000 people in USA
currently infected, not curable
Herpes (blood test) 500,000 new cases annually, 67 million people in
USA currently infected, not curable
Gonorrhea 800,000 people in USA, curable with treatment
Chlamydia (NGU in men) 4 million people in USA, curable with treatment
Syphilis 70,000 people in USA curable with treatment
The other 5 STD's are:
Genital Warts (HPV) 5.5 million new cases 20 million Americans
currently infected, treatable but not curable, clears in 2-5 years
Molluscum Contagiosum treatable but not curable, clears in a few
months to several years
Trichomoniasis/Vaginitis 5 million cases annually in the USA, curable
with treatment
Crabs/Pubic lice 3 million new cases annually, curable with treatment
Scabies curable with treatment
CMV/Epstein-Bar/Mononucleousis (CMV) approx 1 in 2 or 50.00% or 136
million people in USA (CMV) (Epstein-Bar) 54.4 million people in USA
carry the virus in their throats (Epstein-Bar). Most healthy people
infected with CMV do not have symptoms, but it could cause mono.
Epstein-Bar is more likely to cause mono, but it does not always. It
often causes only a mild illness, like a cold, or no illness at all.
Epstein-Barr virus permanently infects more than 90% of the people on
Earth, but it causes mononucleosis only in a small minority of them. In
developed nations, such as the United States, mononucleosis most often
develops between the ages of 15 and 25, although it can occur at any
age. After the initial infection, it rarely produces any kind of
illness, but it can be transmitted to others. Symptoms of
mononucleosis usually are most intense during the first two to four
weeks of the illness. However, mononucleosis symptoms, especially
fatigue, can sometimes last for several months.
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?d=dmtHealthAZ&c=216693&p=~br,IHW|~st,24479|~r,WSIHW000|~b,*|
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Question for mononucleosis:
1. How many cases are there per year?
2. Given that I have read there is an incubation period of between 10
and 60 days during which the infected are more contagious, how
contagious are carriers of the virus who have never acquired symptoms,
or have overcome the disease?
3. Is there a test to see if you and a potential partner have
anti-bodies to protect you from the two viruses which may cause mono?
http://www.drspock.com/faq/0,1511,869,00.html
| Quote: | The definition of urethritis is inflammation of the urethra. Gonococcal
Urethritis is caused by Gonorrhea bacteria and Non-Gonococcal
Urethritis (NGU) is urethritis that is not caused by Gonorrhea bacteria
and is usually caused by Chlamydia, though NGU could be Non-Specific
Urethritis (NSU), which is urethritis that cannot be clearly identified
as Chlamydia or Gonorrhea.
http://www.cureresearch.com/n/non_specific_urethritis/intro.htm
While Gonorrhea and Chlamydia are curable; if left untreated they can
lead to Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID) which can cause permanent
infertility and effects 1 million women a year, if so inclined, see
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/8799/8799/29362/197425.html?d=dmtHealthAZ
Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is not an STD but can be triggered by sex
which can upset the balance in the vagina. It can be cured by
antibiotics. 640,000 women in USA
Hepatitis B 200,000 to 300,000 new cases in the USA 1990. Consider
vaccination against this disease or insist your partners are tested
because it can cause irreversible liver damage leading to death and may
not be curable. However 95% of acute sufferers begin to develop their
own antibodies to the virus. Generally, the virus will disappear within
6 months of infection.
Granuloma inguinale or Donovanosis: commonly found in tropical and
subtropical areas such as Southeast India, Guyana, and New Guinea, but
it occurs on occasion in the United States, typically in the Southeast.
There are approximately 100 cases reported per year in the United
States.
Lymphogranuloma venereum (LGV), is highest among sexually active people
living in tropical or subtropical climates, including some areas of the
southern U.S. LGV is considered endemic in East and West Africa, India,
parts of southeast Asia, South America, and the Caribbean. Only 42
cases were reported in the US in 2000.
Most statistical info from http://www.cureresearch.com
More info at http://www.intelihealth.com
Another good website on STD's =
http://www.epigee.org/health/stds.html
Only condoms, and prophylactic testing provide any protection against
these diseases, but 6 diseases are entirely treatable and curable,
while 2 diseases are treatable and eventually go away on their own, and
2 diseases are not curable at all, Luckily those 2 diseases, as well as
three others of the six treatable and curable diseases are testable.
Also note, that 5 of the diseases are topical or skin diseases (in the
case of warts and herpes of the mucous membrane) while 4 others are
bacterial infections, and HIV is apparently a bodily fluid infection.
Inspecting a partner's genitals may provide some protection against
Warts (but not subclinical HPV), Molluscum Contagiosum, Herpes (when
active), and possibly Syphilis. Perhaps Scabies and Crabs. Probably
not Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, Trichomoniasis or HIV. If you find an STD on
your partner's genitals you may want to abstain from sex and to tell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:29 am
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Condoms don't do a thing about crabs, moron. |
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Apparently you haven't actually read Misc.writing.
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I drop in every now and then. It's a slow group. =)
| Quote: | Which is it: a workshop or a college class?
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It's a class billed as a workshop. De rigeur for writing programs, it
seems.
| Quote: | Why do you keep taking them, then?
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I need the class for my degree. I also "feed off" the course
requirements -- "do an character study," "do a place description,"
"utilize 3rd person objective"...just not the same setting such for
myself. I think it has something to do with knowing that there's an
actualy flesh-and-blood audience, as opposed to the anonymous abstract
idea of some intern going through the daily slosh pile...and by
"audience" I really mean, in the end, the professor, as, as my rant
notes, my classmates have generally been uninspiring.
Not to sound like a teacher's pet, but all my four different professors
love my stuff. I don't mean "like," but "love" -- one is a Pushcart
Prize winner who was so impressed he said he showed it to his wife who
teaches poetry at Chapel Hill. Etc.
So I guess it's that "social element" which really makes it for
me...kinda like how I enjoy exercise well enough, but it's even better
when there's a regular crowd of "the fellas" to work out with. Except,
in this case of the workshops, it's basically just the professor and
maybe one or two students out of like up to twenty-four who have
actually have a "writer's sensibility."
| Quote: | Why don't you just write and submit
for publication?
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I kept thinking that I'd want to put my best foot forward, and thought
to first build myself up to professional standards...but now I see that
the only place where "professional standards" might be applied is out
in the field, not in the padded safety of warm and fuzzy workshops, so
to speak....
How do I start? That's the other thing...none of these professors,
though they are actual writers ("current practioners"), offer concrete
advice beyond "pick up a copy of Writer's Digest [or whatever] and farm
it out"....
| Quote: | You conflate the state of literature with the quality of writing
workshops. The two are unrelated.
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I thought these workshops turned out editors and students? I know
that's simplistic, but that also seems to be their stated goal.
Just where do editors and writers come from, then? =) Seriously, this
is the other thing I was wondering: seems like these folks are writing
for each other...all these reviewers are fellow writers, which kind of
makes sense, but it also has that "incestuous" feel to it.... =)
| Quote: | A writing workshop isn't about how famous published authors write
except as it affects the participants, what they can take from that for
their own writing.
Of course it's like that most of the time.
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For example, in philosophy one investigates through Socratic debate.
In the sciences, there are experiments. In writing workshops, it seems
to be a bunch of people on edge who are really there for therapy,
approval, etc. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any of that, but
that seems to be the unconscious point for many.
Like, my classmates have two weeks to turn in an assignment of roughly
1500 words. Quite modest, at worst! So what does 97% of them do?
Three or four pages of "dear diary" sort of stuff...run-ons, you know
(and not "aesthetic" "stream-of-consciousness"), just "What I Did This
Summer" kind of stuff...with bad grammar and poor spelling through-out!
But honestly, most of them seem to have no sense of "WHY THE HELL
SHOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT THIS???" I think that's worst of all. They
don't seem to realize that as writers they're first duty is to
"entertain" -- or "interest," if you prefer.
| Quote: | The workshop stays in business by attracting paying participants.
Writers who are good enough to become stars aren't out there taking
endless workshops, so the workshop leaders are working with folks at a
lower level.
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True, but presumably the professors (or, if outside academia, whatever
they're called) are operating at a higher level of craft and wish to
propound that.
| Quote: | Those folks want encouragement and a few tips. They
usually evaluate (and recommend to others) the course by how much they
like it, which usually translates to how good it makes them feel. A
workshop leader would be stupid to ignore that.
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An advanced workshop should be beyond that. I only wonder if such a
thing exists, especially in academia, of all places.
| Quote: | It might also be possible that you don't recognize criticism unless
it's delivered with a sledghammer. You want to hear "that stinks." Good
workshop leaders need to explain why.
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Of course I want explanations. That's my complaint, that we don't go
deep enough. All these workshops only seem to point out the obvious --
which makes me wonder how these people, whose pride seem so otherwise
strong, could ever submit something with common, obvious errors.
| Quote: | So if they said something like
"try writing that from a different point of view--that might help you
to 'tell' less and 'show' more," which is a more useful way to say
"sucks now, will still suck unless you do something DIFFERENT," can you
recognize it as criticism?
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Of course -- that's not the problem I have.
Basically, it's as if we were in cooking school, and the assignment is
to bake apple pies, and people turn in half-baked stuff, stuff that
ain't even pies (and not due to postmodern experimentation with form,
might I add!)...now how can you meaningfully critique or workshop
anything half-baked? There rejoinder is always, hey, it's just a
draft; hey, this is just a class.
The professor's own declared goal for the course, on the syllabus, is
to have a piece of actual publishable quality. I'm sure by
"publishable quality" he didn't mean the church monthly newsletter.
Yet this seems to be the level of craft we're dealing with, and I guess
he's being that "wise" workshop leader you noted earlier in not pushing
people -- though surely he'd never put it that way.
| Quote: | Bottom line: take what you can from the workshop, ask for what you
want, be open to getting what you need instead (or not), buzz off if it
doesn't work for you.
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I think workshops can be more intellectually vigorous, and should be in
order to actually produce people who write better at the end of it than
at the beginning (except merely as a consequence, important though it
is, of feeling better about themselves and thereby being more
creative). Especially for an advanced level one!
Consider that if you were in some kind of four month exercise program
and you're only doing marginally better than before -- and that's
basically 'cause you're moving more than you used to! Poor showing
from a "cost-benefit" POV...likewise, I don't see folks improving at
all, based on their submissions, and it's frustrating that I have to
read stuff which goes nowhere, which does not seem to have a sense of
how to tell a story, that a story should be interesting, that it should
be "legible" (intelligible) first of all -- and again, we're not
talking would-be postmodernists here, we're talking about folks that
don't know a run-on sentence from a long sentence, folks who think 3rd
person necessarily can't be as intimate as 1st person, folks who don't
know the plural from the possessive, blah blah blah....
Yes, I've improved -- but only because of the Norton Anthology of
Postmodern American Fiction I'd bought on my own, which selections got
me to thinking! And that's what I want, wah wah wah! I want to know
what Donald Barthelme's "Sentence" and "Did You See the Moon?" is
supposed to "mean," I want to marvel and then learn the genius of John
Barth's "Dunyazade," I want us to examine and debate and attempt John
Gardner's noble sensibility in "Art of Fiction"...@#$%^&*!! I don't
want to spend semester after semester being bored by folks that confuse
"its" with "it's," folks who don't know the difference betwen "toe" and
"tow," COLLEGE STUDENTS GRAD AND UNDERGRAD who think fuck, piss, shit,
fart makes for raw humorous reading!
| Quote: | That would mean, though, that you'd have to blame yourself for your
writing lapses. . .
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What do you mean by "writing lapses"?
I think writing workshops need to be brought up to speed...as it is, I
think it's probably even less rigorous than traditional academia
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NYC XYZ wrote:
| Quote: | It's a class billed as a workshop. De rigeur for writing programs, it
seems.
I need the class for my degree.
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So you are getting a degree in writing or composition? And the others
in your class have the same major/degree in their sights?
| Quote: | Not to sound like a teacher's pet, but all my four different professors
love my stuff.
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I don't know if that will work for you or against you <g>.
| Quote: | So I guess it's that "social element" which really makes it for
me...kinda like how I enjoy exercise well enough, but it's even better
when there's a regular crowd of "the fellas" to work out with. Except,
in this case of the workshops, it's basically just the professor and
maybe one or two students out of like up to twenty-four who have
actually have a "writer's sensibility."
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Fuck a writer's sensibility. You can put on a beret and sit in a cafe
drinking absinthe or a double latte and talk writing to the death
anything you might have written while you were exercising your
sensibilities.
The problem is the students in your class don't take writing as
seriously as you do.
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Why don't you just write and submit
for publication?
I kept thinking that I'd want to put my best foot forward, and thought
to first build myself up to professional standards...but now I see that
the only place where "professional standards" might be applied is out
in the field, not in the padded safety of warm and fuzzy workshops, so
to speak....
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Sounds like you've developed a sufficient level of skill to get out
there and hear what the editors and publishers have to say.
| Quote: | How do I start? That's the other thing...none of these professors,
though they are actual writers ("current practioners"), offer concrete
advice beyond "pick up a copy of Writer's Digest [or whatever] and farm
it out"....
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That's concrete. You find a journal that seems to publish stuff like
the stuff you write. You look at their guidelines. You make your piece
fit and submit it. Then you repeat the process. Again and again.
| Quote: | You conflate the state of literature with the quality of writing
workshops. The two are unrelated.
I thought these workshops turned out editors and students? I know
that's simplistic, but that also seems to be their stated goal.
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Only if you are doing the Iowa Writer's Workshop or something
comparable. Your experience suggests that you are not.
I do like the idea that workshops send out students. That's probably
what they do, if they are good. . .
But you want to be a writer, not a student. Yes? Or maybe not. Maybe
you want to be a writing workshop teacher. . .
| Quote: | Just where do editors and writers come from, then? =) Seriously, this
is the other thing I was wondering: seems like these folks are writing
for each other...all these reviewers are fellow writers, which kind of
makes sense, but it also has that "incestuous" feel to it.... =)
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You've got it. Now is that what you want to do? Do you want to write or
do you want to be a writer or do you want to critique writers and
writing workshops?
| Quote: | But honestly, most of them seem to have no sense of "WHY THE HELL
SHOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT THIS???" I think that's worst of all. They
don't seem to realize that as writers they're first duty is to
"entertain" -- or "interest," if you prefer.
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Direct your attention to writing and sending stuff out to publishers,
not to lamenting your inferior classmates.
| Quote: | True, but presumably the professors (or, if outside academia, whatever
they're called) are operating at a higher level of craft and wish to
propound that.
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You don't propound writing. You do it. You model it. You get your
students excited and you set them in motion and step in to correct
their course now and then. The rest is up to the participants.
| Quote: | An advanced workshop should be beyond that. I only wonder if such a
thing exists, especially in academia, of all places.
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Of course it does. Could you be at the wrong school? Or just in a bad
class? Ask your professor to turn up the heat under you, if not the
others.
| Quote: | Of course I want explanations. That's my complaint, that we don't go
deep enough.
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Deep enough? You want theory? Then study rhetoric or linguistics.
Writing is a performance art, and workshops are explicitly about
hands-on creation.
| Quote: | Basically, it's as if we were in cooking school, and the assignment is
to bake apple pies, and people turn in half-baked stuff, stuff that
ain't even pies (and not due to postmodern experimentation with form,
might I add!)...now how can you meaningfully critique or workshop
anything half-baked?
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You can't be serious. It's totally easy to criticize the half-baked.
Cheap, easy labor.
There rejoinder is always, hey, it's just a
| Quote: | draft; hey, this is just a class.
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All the worse for them, then. Sow, reap.
| Quote: | The professor's own declared goal for the course, on the syllabus, is
to have a piece of actual publishable quality. I'm sure by
"publishable quality" he didn't mean the church monthly newsletter.
Yet this seems to be the level of craft we're dealing with, and I guess
he's being that "wise" workshop leader you noted earlier in not pushing
people -- though surely he'd never put it that way.
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You can only push people who want to be pushed. The rest need to be
pulled. So let him push you.
| Quote: | I think workshops can be more intellectually vigorous, and should be in
order to actually produce people who write better at the end of it than
at the beginning (except merely as a consequence, important though it
is, of feeling better about themselves and thereby being more
creative). Especially for an advanced level one!
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Intellect isn't really what writing is about. That's an element, a tool
you use, but writing's about the story connecting with the reader.
You can learn methods that work and the theories or evidence for them,
but that doesn't mean your application of them will get the desired
results. You need to muck around with writing, with doing it. Again,
that's what workshops are about. Doing, getting feedback of variable
quality, doing again until you get it right enough.
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Consider that if you were in some kind of four month exercise program
and you're only doing marginally better than before -- and that's
basically 'cause you're moving more than you used to! Poor showing
from a "cost-benefit" POV...likewise, I don't see folks improving at
all, based on their submissions, and it's frustrating that I have to
read stuff which goes nowhere, which does not seem to have a sense of
how to tell a story, that a story should be interesting, that it should
be "legible" (intelligible) first of all -- and again, we're not
talking would-be postmodernists here, we're talking about folks that
don't know a run-on sentence from a long sentence, folks who think 3rd
person necessarily can't be as intimate as 1st person, folks who don't
know the plural from the possessive, blah blah blah....
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What you are learning is how to be an introductory composition teacher,
then. Complain. It's your money and the school's false advertising. It
won't do a bit of good unless you are prepared to vote with your feet,
of course, and probably not then. But you really need to put up or shut
up, eh?
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Yes, I've improved -- but only because of the Norton Anthology of
Postmodern American Fiction I'd bought on my own, which selections got
me to thinking! And that's what I want, wah wah wah! I want to know
what Donald Barthelme's "Sentence" and "Did You See the Moon?" is
supposed to "mean," I want to marvel and then learn the genius of John
Barth's "Dunyazade,"
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Then you need to be in a lit or lit crit course.
I want us to examine and debate and attempt John
| Quote: | Gardner's noble sensibility in "Art of Fiction"...@#$%^&*!!
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Who at your school can help you do something about that? If no one, why
are you there?
I don't
| Quote: | want to spend semester after semester being bored by folks that confuse
"its" with "it's," folks who don't know the difference betwen "toe" and
"tow," COLLEGE STUDENTS GRAD AND UNDERGRAD who think fuck, piss, shit,
fart makes for raw humorous reading!
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Then don't. Or you might find a more serious group outside of formal
academia to supplement your degree work. Ironic.
| Quote: | That would mean, though, that you'd have to blame yourself for your
writing lapses. . .
What do you mean by "writing lapses"?
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You say that like you think you don't have any <g>.
I'd have to see your writing. But as someone who happens to teach
writing workshops now and then, if you handed this rant in I would tell
you that you don't display critical thinking (there isn't any here,
really, though it's certainly critical) or imagination and you fail
to give the reader anything new. You know: WHY THE HELL SHOULD ANY
BUNCH OF CRANKY STRANGERS WHO FANCY THEMSELVES WRITERS CARE ABOUT THIS
whine of a college student who gets to take writing workshops and then
complain about them to cranky strangers while we are working or
idling?
Your writing seeks sympathy, even pity. Do you think it achieves its
end?
| Quote: | I think writing workshops need to be brought up to speed...as it is, I
think it's probably even less rigorous than traditional academia
laughing stocks like ethnic studies and basket-weaving!
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Oh. Somebody ought to go out and do that at your behest, eh? Then write
a COMPELLING, imaginative argument for that that doesn't hinge on self
pity and snobbery (or if it does, does it in an amusing way).
Or get the necessary degrees and reform academic writing workshops.
Christine (worth more than the tuition you've paid for your workshop) |
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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131735055.203931.4620@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | chris_tine49@hotmail.com wrote:
I thought these workshops turned out editors and students? I know
that's simplistic, but that also seems to be their stated goal.
Just where do editors and writers come from, then? =) Seriously, this
is the other thing I was wondering: seems like these folks are writing
for each other...all these reviewers are fellow writers, which kind of
makes sense, but it also has that "incestuous" feel to it.... =)
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I became a technical editor/writer for a mid-cap semiconductor manufacturer
($6 billion annual revenue) without any direct training or experience. Just
my electrical and computer engineering education and ability, I guess. After
reporting numerous technical errors pro bono through their engineering
support, eventually I was asked by two middle managers (one who maintains
the overall support and customer relations and the other being the
documentation head) to edit and write manuals for their development tools
(IDE, compiler, assemblers, debuggers, etc.) for producing firmware using
their embedded microprocessors. The firm is headquartered in TX, but I
telecommute here in Detroit. Their two major specialties are being the lead
player in selling chips for automotive "computers" and also chips for
cellular phones.
In essence, I was hired through email correspondence and over the phone
without even applying for employment. In fact, that was my first foray into
this field. So a writing workshop probably would have done little in my
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:00 am
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join the renaissance:
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Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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"The book spoke to me," Gyllenhaal says. "Tony Swofford has a certain
style, in the same way that Dave Eggers has defined a certain
generation of writers, so that when I read 'Jarhead' I really responded
to it. I was the right age as all the guys who were going to the Iraq
war now, and who were in Desert Storm back in 1990. And there was just
something about the aggression, and having a part where you don't have
to do hair, no wardrobe or anything. It's just basically you."
THE GENERATION OF WRITERS EGGERS DEFINED ARE A BUNCH OF MFAS INCAPABLE
OF PLOT, CHARACTER, AND MEANING. JUST LIKE JARHEAD & POMO-HIPSTER
HOLLYWOOD. HA HA AHAA HA!
Once Mendes relented, Gyllenhaal swam, ran, biked, lifted weights and
did 500 push-ups daily. He got his head shaved, spent five months in
the deserts of Southern California and Mexico, and danced nearly naked
wearing a strategically placed Santa hat.
Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Yeah--that'll make a MARINE out of you.
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join the renaissance:
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chris_tine49@hotmail.com
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Gary Schnabl wrote:
| Quote: | I became a technical editor/writer for a mid-cap semiconductor manufacturer
($6 billion annual revenue) without any direct training or experience. Just
my electrical and computer engineering education and ability, I guess.
In essence, I was hired through email correspondence and over the phone
without even applying for employment. In fact, that was my first foray into
this field. So a writing workshop probably would have done little in my
case. It's mostly being in the right place at the right time.
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So you were hired for your content knowledge, not for your writing
ability.
That's sort of a different case.
Christine |
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