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Dylan Nicholson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 am
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"Sara Lorimer" <que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | jerry_friedman@yahoo.com wrote:
Mike Lyle wrote:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Philip Eden wrote:
While researching the history of rainfall recording in the UK,
I turned up a long-time member of (and financial contributor
to) the British Rainfall Organisation in the 19th century from
mid-Wales called Pryse Pryse. How could his parents have
known he would be created a baronet?
One of his extant descendents is Mr Pryse Pryse Pryse.
He's not a major?
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I don't know about Sara, but I still don't get it. Why is "Sir Pryse
Pryse, Bt" any more unexpected than "Mr Pryse Pryse"?
Nope, I still don't get it either (which makes me think there must be a
pun involved).
Jerry is having us on. I mean, c'mon, why is a "Sir Pryse" unexpected? |
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Sara Lorimer
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle wrote:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Philip Eden wrote:
While researching the history of rainfall recording in the UK,
I turned up a long-time member of (and financial contributor
to) the British Rainfall Organisation in the 19th century from
mid-Wales called Pryse Pryse. How could his parents have
known he would be created a baronet?
One of his extant descendents is Mr Pryse Pryse Pryse.
He's not a major?
'Splain, please.
A baronet is a sort of hereditary knight (invented by James II or
somebody like that to raise money), and therefore referred to as "Sir
Firstname Surname".
I don't know about Sara, but I still don't get it. Why is "Sir Pryse
Pryse, Bt" any more unexpected than "Mr Pryse Pryse"?
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Nope, I still don't get it either (which makes me think there must be a
pun involved).
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SML
Dignity, always dignity. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 am
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle typed thus:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Philip Eden wrote:
While researching the history of rainfall recording in the UK,
I turned up a long-time member of (and financial contributor
to) the British Rainfall Organisation in the 19th century from
mid-Wales called Pryse Pryse. How could his parents have
known he would be created a baronet?
One of his extant descendents is Mr Pryse Pryse Pryse.
'Splain, please.
A baronet is a sort of hereditary knight (invented by James II or
somebody like that to raise money), and therefore referred to as
"Sir
Firstname Surname". The egregious Mark Thatcher, to everybody's
derision, is one. But then so is Jonathon Porrit.
I didn't know that. Even with two ts.[...]
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Damn: I do know how to spell it!
To Jerry: say it aloud.
Mike.
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 am
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Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Sara Lorimer wrote:
Philip Eden wrote:
While researching the history of rainfall recording in the UK,
I turned up a long-time member of (and financial contributor
to) the British Rainfall Organisation in the 19th century from
mid-Wales called Pryse Pryse. How could his parents have
known he would be created a baronet?
One of his extant descendents is Mr Pryse Pryse Pryse.
'Splain, please.
A baronet is a sort of hereditary knight (invented by James II or
somebody like that to raise money), and therefore referred to as "Sir
Firstname Surname". The egregious Mark Thatcher, to everybody's
derision, is one. But then so is Jonathon Porrit.
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I think the explanation has to have something about the descendant being
named for the ancestor. Oliver Wendell Holmes was named after someone
named "Oliver Wendell." John Wilkes Booth was named after someone named
"John Wilkes." Pryse Pryse Pryse would have been named after (the
apparently eminent) Pryse Pryse.
If "extant" is supposed to mean currently living, then I guess there's
been more than one P.P.P.:
Kelly's Directory
South Wales 1895
Lodge Park is the seat of Pryse Pryse Pryse esq. ; the mansion is a
stone edifice, in a park of 100 acres...
RootsWeb archives
The estate was owned by the Pryse family, the surname being
fossilised in the 16th century from the patronymic "ap Rhys", which
is usually anglicised as Price. From c.1800-c.1960, the master of
Gogerddan was almost continuously someone called Pryse Pryse. There
was even a Pryse Pryse Pryse. Matters became almost silly towards
the end, and last owner of the estate was called Sir Pryse Loveden
Pryse-Saunders-Pryse.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 am
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Mike Lyle typed thus:
| Quote: | Sara Lorimer wrote:
Philip Eden wrote:
While researching the history of rainfall recording in the UK,
I turned up a long-time member of (and financial contributor
to) the British Rainfall Organisation in the 19th century from
mid-Wales called Pryse Pryse. How could his parents have
known he would be created a baronet?
One of his extant descendents is Mr Pryse Pryse Pryse.
'Splain, please.
A baronet is a sort of hereditary knight (invented by James II or
somebody like that to raise money), and therefore referred to as "Sir
Firstname Surname". The egregious Mark Thatcher, to everybody's
derision, is one. But then so is Jonathon Porrit.
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I didn't know that. Even with two ts. It seems his dad was
something of a Good Chap. He was Governor General of New Zealand and
had won a Bronze in the 100 metres at the 1924 Paris Olympics but was
left out of Chariots of Fire. He was also made a life peer.
--
David
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replace the first component of address
with the definite article. |
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:16 am
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Mike Lyle wrote:
| Quote: | Sara Lorimer wrote:
Philip Eden wrote:
While researching the history of rainfall recording in the UK,
I turned up a long-time member of (and financial contributor
to) the British Rainfall Organisation in the 19th century from
mid-Wales called Pryse Pryse. How could his parents have
known he would be created a baronet?
One of his extant descendents is Mr Pryse Pryse Pryse.
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He's not a major?
| Quote: | 'Splain, please.
A baronet is a sort of hereditary knight (invented by James II or
somebody like that to raise money), and therefore referred to as "Sir
Firstname Surname".
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I don't know about Sara, but I still don't get it. Why is "Sir Pryse
Pryse, Bt" any more unexpected than "Mr Pryse Pryse"? Except to
whatever extent baronets are intrinsically funny.
| Quote: | The egregious Mark Thatcher, to everybody's
derision, is one. But then so is Jonathon Porrit.
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But is he Jonathon or Jonathan? A Google search turned up a complete
lack of consensus.
--
Jerry Friedman |
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Tony Cooper
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:23:59 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
<wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c7f5p0dvpphhdv7v3d7haq5g0skemh61jc@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:57:28 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1100126520.435144.3680@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dylan Nicholson wrote:
Jerry is having us on. I mean, c'mon, why is a "Sir Pryse"
unexpected?
No, that was my true level of astuteness you saw there. Thanks for
spelling it out. (Though in my defense, I may have been hearing
"Price" in my head--or nothing.)
Then how on earth did you get the Major Pryse?
The rank is given before the title as in Major Sir John Smith or
General Lord Charles Cornwallis.
So if he called you, there'd be a Major Sir Pryse at the other end?
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By George, I think he's got it! |
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Jess Askin
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Sara Lorimer wrote:
Philip Eden wrote:
While researching the history of rainfall recording in the UK,
I turned up a long-time member of (and financial contributor
to) the British Rainfall Organisation in the 19th century from
mid-Wales called Pryse Pryse. How could his parents have
known he would be created a baronet?
One of his extant descendents is Mr Pryse Pryse Pryse.
'Splain, please.
A baronet is a sort of hereditary knight (invented by James II or
somebody like that to raise money), and therefore referred to as "Sir
Firstname Surname". The egregious Mark Thatcher, to everybody's
derision, is one. But then so is Jonathon Porrit.
I think the explanation has to have something about the descendant being
named for the ancestor. Oliver Wendell Holmes was named after someone
named "Oliver Wendell." John Wilkes Booth was named after someone named
"John Wilkes." Pryse Pryse Pryse would have been named after (the
apparently eminent) Pryse Pryse.
If "extant" is supposed to mean currently living, then I guess there's
been more than one P.P.P.:
Kelly's Directory
South Wales 1895
Lodge Park is the seat of Pryse Pryse Pryse esq. ; the mansion is a
stone edifice, in a park of 100 acres...
RootsWeb archives
The estate was owned by the Pryse family, the surname being
fossilised in the 16th century from the patronymic "ap Rhys", which
is usually anglicised as Price. From c.1800-c.1960, the master of
Gogerddan was almost continuously someone called Pryse Pryse. There
was even a Pryse Pryse Pryse. Matters became almost silly towards
the end, and last owner of the estate was called Sir Pryse Loveden
Pryse-Saunders-Pryse.
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Sounds like Best of Show at the Westminster Kennel Club. |
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Dylan Nicholson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:06 am
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"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:57:28 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1100126520.435144.3680@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dylan Nicholson wrote:
Jerry is having us on. I mean, c'mon, why is a "Sir Pryse"
unexpected?
No, that was my true level of astuteness you saw there. Thanks for
spelling it out. (Though in my defense, I may have been hearing
"Price" in my head--or nothing.)
Then how on earth did you get the Major Pryse?
The rank is given before the title as in Major Sir John Smith or
General Lord Charles Cornwallis.
So if he called you, there'd be a Major Sir Pryse at the other end? |
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Tony Cooper
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:57:28 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
<wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1100126520.435144.3680@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dylan Nicholson wrote:
Jerry is having us on. I mean, c'mon, why is a "Sir Pryse"
unexpected?
No, that was my true level of astuteness you saw there. Thanks for
spelling it out. (Though in my defense, I may have been hearing
"Price" in my head--or nothing.)
Then how on earth did you get the Major Pryse?
The rank is given before the title as in Major Sir John Smith or |
General Lord Charles Cornwallis. |
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Tony Cooper
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On 11 Nov 2004 08:05:26 -0800, jerry_friedman@yahoo.com (Jerry
Friedman) wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<79m5p01rdb7n502ka0qeb2ghl6bulrf8co@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:23:59 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c7f5p0dvpphhdv7v3d7haq5g0skemh61jc@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:57:28 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1100126520.435144.3680@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dylan Nicholson wrote:
Jerry is having us on. I mean, c'mon, why is a "Sir Pryse"
unexpected?
No, that was my true level of astuteness you saw there. Thanks for
spelling it out. (Though in my defense, I may have been hearing
"Price" in my head--or nothing.)
Then how on earth did you get the Major Pryse?
The rank is given before the title as in Major Sir John Smith or
General Lord Charles Cornwallis.
So if he called you, there'd be a Major Sir Pryse at the other end?
By George, I think he's got it!
No, Paul Wolff got it. Major Major Major Major. I find it much
easier to make obscure references than to figure them out (which is
why I joined the Panel).
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Anyone that doesn't lose track of who gets what just isn't paying
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Jerry Friedman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:08 pm
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Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<79m5p01rdb7n502ka0qeb2ghl6bulrf8co@4ax.com>...
| Quote: | On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:23:59 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Tony Cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c7f5p0dvpphhdv7v3d7haq5g0skemh61jc@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:57:28 +1100, "Dylan Nicholson"
wizofaus@hotmail.com> wrote:
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1100126520.435144.3680@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dylan Nicholson wrote:
Jerry is having us on. I mean, c'mon, why is a "Sir Pryse"
unexpected?
No, that was my true level of astuteness you saw there. Thanks for
spelling it out. (Though in my defense, I may have been hearing
"Price" in my head--or nothing.)
Then how on earth did you get the Major Pryse?
The rank is given before the title as in Major Sir John Smith or
General Lord Charles Cornwallis.
So if he called you, there'd be a Major Sir Pryse at the other end?
By George, I think he's got it!
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No, Paul Wolff got it. Major Major Major Major. I find it much
easier to make obscure references than to figure them out (which is
why I joined the Panel).
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Jerry Friedman |
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